One Soccer Mom vs. Billion-Dollar Marketing Team

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00:00 Europe is like the personification of the school teacher in one of those videos where like they're at an inner city like high school and there's this kid who's like you know like uh he might be 18 but has the body of like a 24y old and there's like this 5 foot2 woman who's like no you need to listen you need to do your homework right now and there's like he like pulls like an AK-47 his pants and just like >> he like pulls an 847 or like just RKO like choke slams this like poor like dainty woman onto the ground like ruining her life and like obviously disavow not a good thing etc. But uh it's just like it's this feeling of like

00:47 you have completely misunderstood the dynamics of like who has authority and control. They're deploying their highest level of threat, which is like a NATO declaration of like, please don't take Greenland. Please don't take it. >> Welcome to another episode of Plausibly Deniable, brought to you by Poly Market, Zcash, Citizen X, and Network Press. >> Yeah. So, apparently everyone's using Starlink now. Um I'm I was like in a very rural area. >> He has no matter where he goes, he has no internet. Like I don't even understand [laughter] it. It's like he can be in the third world, he can be in the first world. There's never any internet, dude. >> Yeah, we need we need a Starlink sponsorship. Uh, hit me up, Elon.

01:32 >> You need like a backpack that has like a massive like like I need to I need to attach like a solar panel like array to like you need to become like a turtle that has like a starling shell for the good of our podcast. >> For the good of the people, for the listeners. I do it for the listeners. >> But yeah, everyone's on Starink now. It's actually kind of >> This should be the Patreon tier that just costs exactly as much as a Starlink subscription. And if any one of our viewers subscribes to this, then we will put him in the turtle shell Starlink [laughter] and make him walk around. >> We'll create like a little backpack with like a like one of those nerd backpacks with like solar panels on the top. Just like a Starlink, the solar panel, a charging port, microphone like strapped

02:17 around. Yeah. I think there's two things that people I mean I travel a lot you know that I think there's two things that people in the US don't realize is that have a lot of penetration um which is Starlink and these Chinese cars man these Chinese cars are everywhere dude >> well the Chinese cars I think they're just banned in uh the US but they are actually like you know yeah like the fully self-driving stuff with Tesla is very cool and all that jazz but like these Chinese EVs literally cost like 12k K. It's like you get like a full car for like 12K. Like it literally costs nothing. And so in every other non US country, these are kind of killing the market. >> Yeah, it's it's kind of insane. I mean, they literally cost like 10K. It looks

03:02 nice. I have no I've never driven one of these, so I don't know how it drives, but these look nice. >> It also doesn't matter because we're going to be honest here. The average person does not give a [ __ ] about how their electric vehicle drives. like they're already driving an electric vehicle. They're like, "Oh my god, it can go really fast in a straight line. That's like all they care about and all they will ever care about." >> Yeah. And it's also super funny. I mean, we were talking about this, I think, a while ago, but like all these Chinese companies, man, they're all like uh it's like one of those anime scenes where like they have the weights on their legs cuz they all have just the shittiest names. Like the crappiest names of all like Beyond Your Dreams, like or sorry, build your dreams. Like what what do you mean? It can only be generated by like uh whatever the Chinese equivalent of

03:48 like GPT like 2.5 was. >> Yeah. Deep Seek or whatever. But it's also it's kind of like uh when like a white guy like walks around like Japan with like a t-shirt that just has like some Japanese characters on him. They they don't actually know what it means. Like in China you just see like American letters and you're like wow is is so medic you know. And then they're like wow that's amazing. And then like yeah build your dreams. That's a great name for a car brand. It's just like the worst name. They get saved by the acronym BYD sounds good. Um, but it's just so bad. >> It's the same thing with all of their Amazon products, too, though, man. Like, you go and like anytime you're like, "Yeah, I need like a new screen protector or something, and it's like you get three for like $4 of the company

04:34 that's like it's like E and then like apostrophe C or something, and you're just like, what?" Like this is like actually just a key mash. Like >> it's it's actually the names are so bad. It's like hard to come up with them. I was just like I was just like trying to spitball a name. I was like ostrich cases and it's like ostrich cases is actually like not a bad name compared to some of these. >> Yeah. Like that's good branding compared to like here I'm going to I'm going to go search uh I'm going to search screen protectors. We're going to see what comes up. >> Literally literally the first the first [ __ ] result. Do you know what this is? It is all caps ne apostrophe C nuke [laughter] the nuke threeack like nuke [laughter] nuke phone truth nuke phone cases

05:21 [laughter] that's so funny yeah I mean these guys are just so bad the other thing is I will say Americans don't realize how uniquely good um Americans are at marketing like Americans are just god tier marketers every single thing that's a status good and not a legacy industry. Like it's not like clothing and there's like some guy in, you know, Italy that's been doing it in Milan that's been doing it for like a thousand years. All of those businesses are Americanowned, like 100% of them. Um, and even like the American advantage in capital markets is like arguably a lot of of like marketing stuff. Um, but yeah, once once these Chinese car manufacturers, they should hire us, man. Um, they should hire some like pool girls, you know, from like a cold

06:06 healing tweet. >> That's the thing. They literally don't need to hire us. They could actually hire like random moms who are bored at work to do better work than what they're doing, right? Like you could go find the most completely average person in America and be able to like totally revolutionize their brand image. >> Yeah. It would actually like 10x improve their brand image. It's kind of crazy. Like you could go to like a 2000s era Linux CIS admin and ask him how to brand this and he would do better. >> Well, you you just can't do worse than like China specifically. >> Uh because it's actually quite crazy. >> Not only does it not like not only does it not evoke like an image of a brand or like have any aesthetic, but like it also isn't words like it's not even

06:52 things that you can pronounce, right? So, you're like, "Oh, well, like I've noticed that our word of mouth transmission of like uh marketing material is really low." And it's like, "That's because nobody can pronounce it." Like the nuke. Like, if I say go buy nuke phone screen protector, they're going to think that this is a sponsor. We should we should find someone else who sponsors us instead of shilling this like shitty Chinese. >> It's actually difficult to be this bad at marketing. Like, it's a feat at that point. >> That's what I'm saying. Like I I'm not even being like facitious when I say that literally the completely mediocre American citizen would be like a marketing genius in China when you're dealing with Western markets. Maybe not when dealing with Chinese markets, but like >> yeah, I I don't know what they do in Chinese markets, but yeah, agreed. Um so

07:37 yeah, it's just I mean I've been kind of traveling seeing all these Chinese cars and Starlink and it's starting to feel you you remember that phrase like uh the future's already here. is just not evenly distributed. I think I'm starting to feel like um this is going to sound really gay, but it's all an agency thing now because none of the futuristic stuff is actually that expensive. Like none of the stuff that we've like gotten unlocked in the past year or two years is future. Like LLMs are free effectively, right? You can like uh cable these and get free credits. Um peptides, you just got to find a way to get them through customs wherever you are. but they're also not actually that expensive. Um, even if you make like 10,000 bucks a year or

08:23 something like very third world coded, you can experiment with peptides. You can like play around with the LMS. You you know, I don't think that stuff's off limits to anyone at this point. Uh, it's pretty much entirely a question of will. This has been one of my like long-standing talking points is that uh the world whenever it wants to like shut people out of doing a thing. Whenever it wants to make something impossible for people like if you're decently resourceful and motivated, it will never actually work on you because the bar at which someone stops in order to try and like prevent people from doing a behavior in a population, they block out like 98% of people always. They never go for 100%. Because in order to block out that last 2%, you have to change systems

09:09 so ridiculously that it becomes like it becomes cartoonish. Uh in order to keep these last 2% of people because they're just like they're always going to find a way around your [ __ ] right? Because they're like they're raccoons. They're going for the gold here. And uh so you can basically just count on the fact that if you have the balls to go for something, nobody will ever be able to stop you from actually taking it. Do you remember like back in like 2012 we all used to like be jailbreaking iPhones and like we were doing all that work risking like what was legitimately like an expensive like very beautiful piece of hardware at the time um to like effectively get like a different background or so like a slightly different what like login like you could swipe up to login or like something really stupid. And now that you could

09:56 actually build like very very very cool things on your phone, no one is jailbreaking their phone anymore. Actually, it's kind of weird. Do you think all those people are just using like uh Android phones, like weird customizable nerd phones or whatever? >> I think it's just that there's a uh like basically all of the operating systems looked at this and they said like, "Okay, what is causing people to jailbreak our software?" cuz like I I you know obviously if they're willing to go through the pain in the ass of like looking up whatever the newest like jailbreak hack is and then like figuring out how to install it like this is a big friction point for our user base right and then they just said like okay let's just implement it right like this is how this is how all like major software distributions like gradually iterate and get better this is how AI is going to get better too actually like uh all of

10:41 these AI companies have these massive valuations and what's going to happen is all of the code that everybody body designs with it is uploaded to the AI. So like let's say I vibe code an app, right? Let's say my app eventually is making like a hundred million a year or something. Eventually OpenAI or whoever I used to make this app is going to look at this and say like okay like I found all of their prompts in my codebase uh I'm just going to make their thing but better and then with more distribution and then I'm [ __ ] right? So like >> yeah, >> big one is just always going to win. everyone who's making like if you're if your moat right now is like yeah dude like I copied this app and like I you know there was this app that was like 10 years old on the app store and I copied

11:26 it and I I made a better version of it and it's like okay you have like eight months max of revenue before uh either OpenAI officially releases a competitor or one of their employees just makes a better version of it right like you you are not like on solid foundation here >> yeah this is like the app software goes to zero So theis I I agree with parts of it, but I disagree with parts of it because like on the one hand it's true. On the other hand, like dude, the literal like the alarm on iPhone sucks. like the alarm. It's, you know, I'm not talking like, oh, I have problems with the email app or like, wow, I I really have an issue with like, you know, uh, the fitness tracker because I want to use like specific data or it's like, uh, you

12:13 know, it's normalizing your data in a bad No, it's just like the alarm app is bad. Um, so I I think I agree in some ways, but I think in other ways it's like I don't know. I I I think there is an opportunity and you can actually make like good software that is interesting and will continue to be valuable for like a moderate period of time. I think >> I think the biggest problem for me is that the Apple alarm app has like when it is when it is hitting you with an alarm the most obvious and largest button on the screen is the snooze button. Like the button like the big red button now and you're just like dude like snooze is actually a useless alarm feature by the way. Like I [ __ ] hate everybody who uses snooze on alarms. >> Snooze is a real thing, but it's obviously a bad thing. It's like

12:59 obviously one of those features that's like evil. >> Dysfunctional design. If you ever use the snooze, it's like admitting that you are a loser. >> I'm a snooze power user here. So watch what you say. >> The most the most painful the most painful living arrangements of my life were when I whispered. The other guy like has five alarms and snoozes. >> Half hour power snoozers, dude. They are the worst people in the planet. Like they wake you up like an hour and a half ahead of This was always in college, guy. Like the [ __ ] guy wakes you up at like this goddamn alarm until 7 in the morning. Every seven minutes he snoozes it again and again. So it's like he's not going to bed. You're not going to bed. What is the point of any of this? Like it's literally just burning an hour

13:44 and a half every single day. >> The gigachad power snooze alarm user versus the virgin roommate who gets who gets uh the one thing where they're killing it is privacy man. Apple is like the only company that cares about privacy. Um and they actually care about privacy so much >> but they're partnering with Google sir. So it's like >> yeah Google is like >> is the one thing like >> the thing is Google isn't evil like Meta is evil about privacy like Meta will listen in on your conversations. Google is more like >> Meta also will not Meta is evil in like the worst way right there's like a quadrant of like uh [snorts] it's like uh how much of your data do we store and then like how much benefit do you get from your stored data and meta is like

14:29 we keep all of your data and it doesn't benefit you in any way. Dude, the once the one time a blue moon I open up uh like Instagram to just like uh you know like oh hey I'm back in my hometown you know what's up guys and like whatever. Uh I get some ads that are not bad but um but yeah I don't I don't know. It's just a little it's a little sad I guess. We'll see what happens man. We'll see. Do you think uh I was I was I was bore hunting this weekend. We were talking about uh AI centers and um yeah I I don't know about what's the what's the debate going on with uh like it looks like D Santis is leading the push to not have uh data centers in his jurisdiction. I actually don't

15:15 understand what the debate about this stuff looks like at all. Uh >> it's just there's no reason to not have a data center >> in your z is this is it like the same because this is also an issue with like uh nuclear plants. This is an issue with like wind turbines even like do you know why wind turbines look the way that they do? Like why do they all look like they're designed by Apple? >> Uh I don't know because they're ugly and someone was like oh hey let's make a less ugly one. It's because people will literally never vote to have wind turbines in their uh like when it comes down to the locality that is actually voting to allow wind turbines to be built. They will never vote for them unless they look like this. If they look even slightly shittier, then it's just an instant veto by every resident of every single city in the universe. And

16:00 >> aren't wind turbines like a stupid LAR, though? Aren't they? Isn't that >> They're pretty I'm not a huge fan. So, I actually uh >> I was going to go into renewable energy uh in college and I did like a year working on a research project with a team that was looking at uh wind turbines actually and after that year I was so blackpilled on the concept of wind energy that I just completely changed my career path. It was just like this will never work. Like everything about this is subsidized by the state and it's like one of those things where I so in a given column of air moving through a wind turbine blade path there's actually like an equation that we know for like the maximum extractable amount of energy from like an ideal air foil like an idealized air foil can get

16:46 it's around like 40% of the energy out of that wind. Uh and we're already like within a percent or two of that. So, we're not going to be getting much more efficient in terms of extracting the energy out. And so, in order to actually make wind turbines financially viable, we're going to have to make generators a lot cheaper and figure out how to build them a lot more inexpensively. And we can't really do either of these things because a lot of the construction costs like the most is just like steel is expensive, copper is expensive, right? So there's like a lot of hard limits in terms of like what the absolute ideal minimum is even if the technology itself gets a lot better just because of material prices. So I was just like I I don't think we're

17:32 ever actually going to get these succeed in a non-subsidized environment. Yeah. It's wind turbines just mid. Don't do wind turbines. Just solar. solar or if we were based in a better world, we could do nuclear, but we can't do nuclear because someone saw like a scary movie or the Simpsons or whatever the [ __ ] My mom sent me like three like uh I I told my dad back in like 2014 to buy Bitcoin or something and he didn't do it and so I just, you know, I don't have the millions and trillions of dollars or whatever, but I get to hold it over my dad forever, which is like arguably a decent trade. Um, some things money can't buy. But my mom keeps sending me these posts that are like buying copper now is like buying Bitcoin in 2008. And it's like, I

18:18 don't know, mom. Like, it might be a good deal. I don't know if it's Bitcoin in 2008. It's like, >> no, usually when moms find these things, they're actually good trades. Like, I don't know. >> You kept saying this. I remember you talking about this, how like your mom had like outtraded you. Like, if if you had just traded on your mom's sentiment, she would have like destroyed you. Well, it's because she like she completely ignored everything that I was talking about with regards to crypto for like five years and then randomly came to me one time dead ass in the pico bottom of a bare market and said like, "Well, I decided last last like uh Bitcoin run that it looked like it was going to stay around and I'm like interested in buying some. What would what would be good now?" And I like give her the options. And one of the options was Salana at like [ __ ] like $14. And

19:05 she's like, "Yeah, well, I'm doing crypto because like I want it to be risky and this seems like the highest riskto-reward one." And then she just like bottom ticks Salana and then sells it like 20x higher. And I'm like, "That's just [ __ ] awesome, man." >> Yeah. >> And I think I assume it's going to be the same thing with your mom because like moms don't usually want to invest in things. They're very riskaverse, but like when they do actually want to like move money, it's usually for something that like uh has a pretty good riskreward. I don't know, man. All my friends moms the one time every decade they make a trade, it's pretty [ __ ] good. >> Well, they're also like uh they're like peak like once a trade is like hit like a saturation level. It's like left curve

19:52 plus like a certain amount of sight because the whole thing with like left curving something is you have to hit the timing correct, right? It's like anyone can left curve something. It's all about the timing. Um right curving is way harder. Right curving is like uh my mutual uh Campbell who was calling uh the exwater guy who's calling gold for like the p sorry silver for the past year. Um, and then, uh, yeah, I don't know. The thing with left curving is like you have to hit it at the right timing, which is a little bit harder. Um, but yeah, I don't know, dude. I'm I'm like pissed off. Twitter's just working very poorly. It's been dropping off all the time. Uh, it's not working. That's also part of the excuse why our uh the

20:39 episode before this one is >> it's really funny because they're doing this thing where they're simultaneously trying to push live broadcasts and also the site doesn't work right. So it's like imagine that you're promoting people do live broadcast but then every 20 minutes of their live broadcast you turn the website off and they lose all their viewers. It's like one of those things that you would really assume someone would think through before they uh try to coordinate like this. >> Yeah. It it just doesn't work. I I don't know, man. Um they're doing the articles push. Did you see the like million dollars for the best performing article? Which is like so funny because they keep being like we don't want people who just hacked the system to get metrics and then they keep like rewarding like uh oh my god, remember that one guy like Zooie

21:25 Zoom or whatever? He completely disappeared off the face of the earth. That one guy who got paid like 10K for posting an image of like Steve Jobs's daughter. Um, and then like never had a good post ever again. Like just literally immediately never had a good post ever again. >> That's my mutual. >> That one I think >> that's my mutual. >> I I think he actually lost it. Like that guy is not having a good time. Straight up. >> There's a lot of these things. >> The average person who isn't super online can't actually conceptualize the degree to which the focused cannon of attention that the internet is capable of producing can give you brain damage. Like the example that I always use is SPF. Like imagine what it would be like going from being some random unknown kid to being like the hottest billionaire in

22:11 the entire world within the span of six months. This is like a level of uh social ascension that like was literally not possible in any other society, right? Like Alexander the Great scaled up less exponentially than this guy did, right? And so you go from being like nobody to being the most important person in the entire universe. And uh I don't know how your ego adjusts to this in a sane way, right? >> There's no way to adjust to this in a sane way. It's actually viral. When they go viral, they have a mental breakdown is because like >> you know, you're not used to anyone like if you have 300 followers on something, you're just not used to anyone reading or interacting with your stuff. And then the idea now that every one of these people calling you like an evil [ __ ]

22:57 is actually another person. Like all of these are real people. Like you're basically getting lynched publicly in your mind. >> Yeah. I I mean I think the first time you go viral on Twitter, it's also like you still have notifications on and so your phone's just like like buzzing every two seconds. It's just a dopamine. It's like one of the most addictive experiences ever. It actually might be like more addictive than crack the first time one of your like tweets goes viral or something. Um it's it's unironically like near infinite amounts of dopamine. Uh just like a a total dopamine spam. Um I I don't know. It's this weird situation. But yeah, X has been breaking. They're doing the articles. Um, >> the articles are all awful, by the way, because right now the current meta on

23:43 Twitter is just everybody is talking about like how they're building Claude code workflows and they're like, "Dude, like I have like five claude code agents that are all like using the Versel like skills like tree that they've laid out and it's like I'm so efficient, bro." But like there's very little actual building being done. It's a lot of talking about like this would be so optimal for building if I ever had an idea. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's like two categories of people and they don't interact with each other at all. It's it's the people that go like Yeah. So this is my like versel datab bricks uh you know data dog uh post hog setup for building with multiple concurrent agents at once and then it's like Joe Weisenthal building like an actually interesting product and

24:28 he's just like digging his way through doesn't know how to use anything at all. Um, yeah, it's a it's a pretty interesting uh like you're either on one side of that divide or you're on the other. I I haven't seen anyone who has like one of these complex agent setups and is actually uh like doing doing any meaningful vibe coding with it. But I don't know, maybe they're doing it well or they're they're hiding. I'm sure I'm sure they exist and they're out there and whatnot, but this dichotomy always exists where like >> if you've ever had to hire software engineers, uh you know that like if you make the hire and he comes in and he starts like ricing out his like [ __ ] Linux like laptop, you're just like, "Okay, well >> I've like hired the wrong guy, right?

25:13 Like just use a [ __ ] IDE, dude. Like this is awful." Uh I mean e okay 99% of the time it's that 1% of the time it's like the most cracked engineer in the entire universe and like but the problem is that the 99% all think that they are that 1% and they all like talk like you are they are that person and like it isn't until you've been like uh fairly immersed within software engineering that you can parse out the difference between these two types of people. But uh >> that's that's what they're doing with the uh with the ricing out of their claw code MD like whatever situations. And uh I think the other thing is that there's actually no incentive that anyone who's building something good has to tell people how they're doing it now. And like nobody understands this. Like at a fundamental level, humans believe that it is possible that somebody who has

25:59 like a million-doll idea will go onto the internet and tell you how to do it, right? Like they actually believe that somebody is going to do this out of the good of their heart. Uh and they never analyzed that like if this idea actually worked and was scalable, the person would just grind all day to do it themselves, right? Uh but that is the case. >> Well, the only people who really have an interest are like uh the replets of the world or whatever, right? Like the IDE stuff. Um there there's like a couple very niche software players that have like some reasons to share it, but by and large, you're entirely correct. Like none of these people you you know if you ever if someone never like oh I found this hack to do this thing it's like okay how are you screwing me

26:44 >> this is how I made a million dollars trading from $12 it's like dude like >> yeah that's never true >> it's always the guys who are like martinailing it unironically >> yeah the the one situation where it is different is like the autists who do it for the love of the game like the guy who's like yeah I'm like cycling 42 credit cards right now or like I'm buying Costco gold right now or like yeah so I use my airplane miles to, you know, like uh as on my credit card to buy 50,000 packs of this specific like seasonal yogurt discount and swap those points. You never actually find these people uh in the wild unless you're like you're a curated autist herder because for the most part uh the pe the autists who do this stuff are very bad at

27:29 marketing and they will never go viral enough that you see them unless uh either you just have like an eye for it and you like you already follow a lot of these people or they accidentally say something that's like so antisocial that it gets them put on your feed for being like a heinous like antisocial dis order uh just like villain. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I don't know. I think it's pretty interesting. Um but but we'll see. I'm sure I'm sure some of these guys are building like something that's like moderately useful. I hope. Man, >> there's a lot of people that are building good things right now, but like most of the time like most of these articles like I I read a lot of them and I eventually realized that it's like the entire point of this article which is itself AI generated, right? Like most of

28:14 these articles are just AI slop themselves. And it's like you have AI writing slop about AI that is being retweeted and commented by AI. And it's just this infinite loop going around of like uh it's it's like a human centipede of AI content. [laughter] >> And uh >> the point of it is just to promote the people's accounts as like AI influencers. Like you go and they have like a newsletter where they like write about like AI updates, but like they they don't have any side of any sort of insider knowledge. There's just like there's this feeling that if you're not always doing the newest thing, the newest update or playing with the toys, like you should be learning what's going on in the industry that you're like falling behind somehow, right? Uh so people are like, I must build these skills. Uh and you're like, well, why?

29:00 Like they're like, well, because in the future I'm going to need them. It's like you should build skills that you need to do what you're actually trying to do now because you don't actually like I don't believe that it's possible to build skills that you don't need, right? Like do you remember reading books about [ __ ] that you just didn't care about during school? >> Yeah. You will forget that stuff like immediately like right away. >> If you can't apply it in any way, you're just like okay. Like out in one year, out the other, it's gone. >> Yeah. It's gone forever. It's like gone. The only good article that I saw about any of this stuff was like if you are trying to apply like a bunch of these weird AI workflows and like change your life with all of this stuff in some like upheaving way but you don't actually have a reason to do it like it's just not going to work and you're an insane

29:45 [ __ ] >> That was the best article that I read was an article that said like stop reading all these articles. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's pretty useful. It's it's pretty useless a lot of this stuff. I I don't know. And it's also like even if you take it at face value, it's like every two weeks it's changing. So like why even learn the like newest like weird niche setup where you use this agent or what? I had a tweet about this that was like uh oh you got to use chat GBT you know unless you're generating images and then you use Gemini unless it's anime then midjourney. But actually for anything like it's midjourney, it's just like this weird convoluted thing and it's like man just like use whatever. Uh ask your friends what they're doing and it'll it'll be fine. And if everything if it's true that everything is getting

30:31 like 50 times better on a month overmonth basis, then eventually your tool will be good enough that it won't matter. And if it's not true, like you're not going to need this yes or yes. >> Also, the other thing is it just doesn't matter. Like this is something that people have a really hard time understanding. I guess uh I myself like I'm a notorious not understander of this thing but like the bar of perfectionism and quality that you believe is necessary to achieve the task is so much higher than what you actually need. Like if you're designing a landing page and you're trying to maximize conversions, like all of these extra little artistic tweaks that you're adding to it are so unnecessary and there are so few marginal buyers that are going to be converted by like the extra three hours you put into like really diving into

31:16 this. And it's the same thing with like image generation, right? You're like, "Oh, like I have to do two hours of research to find out which like how to best prompt this image." And oh god, like I have to do another like 20 minutes of research to figure out which image model is the best one. And then like finally by the end of this I'll have like an image that's like 6% better than like the one that I generated with my four-word prompt in like grock or whatever. And then it doesn't matter anyway because the person who's viewing this image is completely oblivious to any of these differences. >> Yeah. No one cares. It's you'll you'll either make it or not make it. I I I don't know, man. It is what it is. And for those of you who've already made it, I have something from one of our sponsors. So, Citizen X allows you to buy passports. So, you pay them an

32:02 upfront fee. They handle all of the filing, the paperwork to get you registered as a citizen of another country. 247 concier service, handholding the whole way through. They accept crypto, basically everything you could ask for. If the political climate in your current country is worrying you a little bit, you'd maybe like to move your family or your assets out, this is about the best way you can do it. Check them out, citizenx.com. >> Should we serious post about uh Greenland and like uh JPA and Iran, do you think? Or >> Yeah. Yeah. Hit us. Explain Greenland. I've seen Trump posting about uh I mean my understanding of the Greenland situation is Trump like made some sort of textbased allegation that like yeah we should like buy the thing or take it or something and like there was a lot of European indignation over this like you

32:48 can't just take Greenland like what [laughter] like I'm pretty sure we can just take Greenland it's an it's an issue of whether it makes any sense to do this or not right uh and I I think we're hitt It feels like Europe is like uh >> Europe is like the personification of the school teacher in one of those videos where like they're at an inner city like high school and there's this kid who's like you know like uh he might be 18 but has the body of like a 24y old and there's like this 5 foot2 woman who's like no you need to listen you need to do your homework right now and there's like a He like pulls like an AK-47 his pants and just like

33:33 >> he like pulls an AK-47 or like just RKO like choke slams this like poor like dainty woman onto the ground like ruining her life and like obviously disavow not a good thing etc. But uh it's just like it's this feeling of like you have completely misunderstood the dynamics of like who has authority and control in this. >> It's basically like you don't understand how the world works at all. Like Europe exists in this like perpetual whining state and they were they were fine doing this when the rest of the world was only doing perpetual whining also. But like now that Trump has shown he's willing to like use military force, Europe is just confused because they were like, "Wait, I thought we just don't need militaries.

34:19 I thought we were going to settle everything by who's whining more." [laughter] >> And like, so they're deploying their highest level of threat, which is like a NATO declaration of like, "Please don't take Greenland. Please don't take it. Please, please don't take Greenland. Please." Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is just like that. It's like this teacher like yelling at this kid like, "Please don't ark choke slam me. Please do your homework. I'm begging you." >> And uh but like it's it's never begging, right? Like the way it manifests is always like uh >> getting like more increasingly more and more. >> It's literally the [ __ ] Cartman gift. Like the respect my authority thing and the person telling you this is like it's like a 2 and 1/2t tall like obese

35:04 [ __ ] right? you're just like, I just don't have to like I just don't have to respect anything. >> And it's like the more the more angry they get and the more they talk about like how very angry and very serious and like all the consequences you're going to face for this, the more that happens, the more it becomes like imminently clear like wait a second like you you actually have like no authority. You have no will to like affect upon the world in any way that you want to. >> You're entirely at my discretion. like when somebody when somebody has to like repeat their uh >> okay I it's like a very feminine thing right but you like walk into a room and uh >> if there's like someone who's trying to get everyone to do something like for the night, right? Like they want everyone to like okay like let's leave

35:50 and go like the Uber's outside. Like if the guy telling you to go get in his Uber has to tell everyone six times to get in his Uber, everyone just instantly knows this person doesn't matter, right? And that's like that's like >> the EU right now. >> They're the guy who's been begging everyone like please don't like take Greenland from us. And like we're watching all of the serious countries like they're not saying like oh well the UN said not to take it. They're saying like oh well is Trump going to take it? Like that's what they're waiting on for the response. And so it makes it clear who actually matters. >> Yeah. It it's just this very weird situation. Um, yeah, we'll see what happens. But it's it's pretty interesting because apparently this is all basically because of global warming.

36:36 And so a bunch of these Arctic shipping routes are going to be like permanently open year round and just much more stable. And so China basically wants to ship things uh directly over Canada past Greenland into like Amsterdam and all these great ports that exist in Europe for to sell like you know BYD cars and phone cases and what have you. Um, and uh, it's just this weird um, yeah, I it's this weird thing where like no, like the the libtards keep coping that like, oh, Trump just saw Greenland on a map and he thinks it's really big. It's like, no. Uh, actually what you don't realize is like this is right next to one of the most important shipping

37:22 routes uh, in in the entire world. Um, >> I was wondering this like I assume >> I assumed there was a reason for this, right? Like it's like the Venezuela thing where there was a reason uh after I talked to people I learned there were several reasons why it was important to do the thing in Venezuela for like Trump's goals, right? But like if you talk to the average liberal, they're just like Trump is just like he hates the Mexicans. He doesn't like Mexico [laughter] or they're like he's so stupid. He's so so so stupid. and Trump such an idiot randomly invaded Mexico too. Like he's so dumb. [laughter] >> And so it's just impossible to get an actual understanding of like what is going on from them. And it's also impossible to get it from Trump because like he's become insane and I can't read

38:07 any of his long posts anymore. So I have to rely on like other people who are like summarizing downstream Trump. Uh and it's the same thing. >> 240 character limit was doing a lot for Trump retrospectively. He uh he has fallen off ever since they moved the 240 character limit. >> He's gotten really bad. He's not good at long posting. He should really like this is something that Twitter did very well I think is like not everyone is good at like linear long form content generation and like being not able to even have the opportunity to demonstrate that to the world was really good. Twitter saved a lot of people from looking much dumber than they otherwise would have. There's a lot of times where I look at my like long like anytime I tweet a long thing, I look at it and I'm like the best

38:52 version of this is under 240 characters like undoubtedly. uh the most accessible version of this and like when I start writing longer like uh it's a little bit about what we were talking about before where like there's that intermediary in terms of like the length of a piece of written content where like uh if you're making something really short and punchy that's like a clear thing to iterate towards but then like if you're making it long like how [ __ ] long are you supposed to make it on Twitter? Like once you go past the read more, you feel like you have to keep going for a while. Otherwise, you made someone click. >> You can't go past it for like one sentence. You're just that's just very annoying. Yeah. >> You have to go past it for like another 240 characters at a minimum, but then you get into this it's this weird gray

39:37 zone territory where uh becomes very hard to understand. Uh and then at a certain point it's like this should just be an article, but you're not going to write an article on Twitter because they suck. You're going to write an article on Substack. So now I don't know. >> Yeah, it's it's a weird situation, but yeah, basically these shipping routes matter a lot. Um, and uh, Trump has this uncanny ability to uh, like like Trump cared about immigration a lot in 2016. And like immigration was interesting in 2016, but after 2020, uh it's like immediately a trillion times more clear how important how like incredibly important immigration was to the US and like all

40:22 these systems that were being created to like loophole people in these goofy ways into the United States, like you know, whether you intrinsically agree with it happening or not, like it it remains like it's it's very obvious that like there was all these weird like asylum loopholes and like people lying about where they were coming from. And >> it's also clear that like democracy hasn't been enacted in any serious capacity because like the average moderate American uh they support like yeah like we should have like really skilled immigrants from these countries but there's basically no normal person that supports like yeah we should just like invite like literally everyone into the capacity that we've been doing. But it became impossible for uh you know like if a politician comes and says yeah like I think we should only have like the best the most skilled the brightest

41:07 from the rest of the world. They'll help build us. Uh they say that and then in practice they import the entirety of Somalia. So and then steal like an entire Somalian GDP every like double the GDP. >> Trump's very good at getting these issues early. Like if you remember also like China is obviously a very big issue now. When Trump was talking about China in 2015, 2016, people actually thought he was like crazy for bringing up China. Um, it's it's actually quite crazy how ahead of his time he was on on like a lot of these issues. I remember like they called him like a an evil guy. Like they were like he's so dumb. Like they they keep calling him dumb. Uh because he's he's optimized. >> They make fun of him for like saying the word China. Like

41:52 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean to be fair to them, he does say China in like a pretty funny way. >> He says it very bizarrely, right? But like >> well he has this whole thing he's optimized himself for like 30 years for like his version of the algorithm which was TV, right? Uh like you know when we're like 50 60 years old and we're like saying truth Nami or like truth nuke and like our kids are like wow grandpa is so weird or whatever it's like yeah man we optimized ourselves for the algorithm for like 30 40 years you know that affects you. Um he he did that but for TV and uh so it's pretty reasonable for him to have this like weird way of communicating. Um but yeah, they keep giving him [ __ ] The other thing they did actually really well is they uh you should pull up a map uh

42:37 while I talk about this, but they also created this brand new like fake country. And if you remember like 10 years ago, the US would create like fake countries because of like some woke story or whatever like oh Malala happened in Afghanistan and so we have to create like a Malala land or whatever. Now it's like Trump is like Marco Rubio is just actually kind of a genius. Like they created Somali land which is just an entirely fake country whole cloth. uh entirely because it's going to be like a US puppet and it's going to control like the entry into the Suez Canal from uh from Asia. So Trump is just like single-handedly controlled both of like the two most important shipping lanes. The only other shipping lane that like exists that is like somewhat important is the Panama Canal,

43:24 which he's also trying to get back from Panama or like remove and reduce like Chinese uh influence in uh in Panama. And then the only shipping lane that like the US would not have absolute control over and like be able to nuke anyone moving through would be like literally going under the horn of Africa, which is just like a comically annoying and like out of your way shipping lane. Like it's just by far we should make a tier list of shipping lanes, but it's just by far the worst shipping lane. And so Trump has actually just like created a stroke of brilliance like uh controlled all of like the the earth like overseas trade and uh libards are like oh he like oh you stupid cheeto

44:09 president you think Greenland is really big don't you [laughter] it's just like he's playing like 6D chess and and they're just like uh yeah it's this very funny situation. He's like literally like deathnoting them where he's like uh it's like he's deathing them but speaking like purely in two and one syllable words and then they're like blundering all of their chess pieces but like having the death note monologue in their head. It's this very interesting situation. Um yeah. Yeah, that was a a bit of serious post uh stuff. So, as we talk about Greenland and who its rightful owner may be in the coming times, you might be thinking to yourself, I have an

44:55 extremely strong opinion on this. I know for a fact that Donald Trump is going to capture Greenland by the end of 2026. And if you have such a feeling, I want to remind you, you can go to our sponsor polyarket.com's website and put your beliefs to the test. >> And then the the other big thing we had was uh Jalow is getting sued. He's getting sued for not pumping our >> It is really funny. Like it does look really bad to see like uh the way that they've framed the Jay Powell suing looks really really bad for Trump. Like it looks like I've threatened this man to like lower rates to pump my bags [laughter] for like two years and he hasn't done it. So now I'm going to jail him. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's it's pretty funny. So

45:40 apparently uh I don't know. the optics are like mega bad and probably should not be have I'm also a big believer that like Pam Bondi is like easily the stupidest member of the cabinet right now probably >> I can't tell if she's like if she's like anti-Trump or so dumb that it's effectively anti-Trump like I have been I have been trying to figure out if she's doing her own like 5D chess of incompetence whereas it's like she's actually not an incompetent idiot she's a very competent idiot but she's just on the other side >> hates Trump and like wants to Yeah. >> Yeah. It's this very weird situation. Um, and uh it it's hard to tell what she's trying to get done at all, but it is I will say like uh apparently this is

46:25 literally going to be like the most expensive like building square foot like like the like uh Jamie Diamond just built like a new headquarters for JP Morgan in New York City and I think that's like five or four times cheaper on a par purse. foot uh basis than like the Fed. And that's literally in New York, like the most expensive city with like permitting hell. They literally just like uh you know installed like a so low-key communist socialist as their mayor. And uh this is like somehow five to six times more expensive on a per per square foot basis. So I don't know what's going on. Um but it does seem like someone dropped the ball. Maybe we're just gonna have like the greatest

47:10 uh Federal Reserve building of all time. Uh and it'll be epic. But yeah, it does it does seem like something weird is going on. Uh but I don't know. Maybe it's just one of those cases where there just so much waste that uh it's also like a pretty sweet gig to be like, "Yeah, I'm the guy like uh who has the contract for the renovations for the only person on earth, like the only institution on earth that can print money literally." And it's like, "So, how much money do you want to spend on this building?" And it's like, "I don't know, man." like uh >> so so I guess for context here it's like Jerome Powell is getting uh >> sued is it sued or is it like what >> they're in late stages an investigation.

47:55 I don't think he's officially. >> He built a building for the Fed that was way too expensive basically. And Trump is saying uh after he's been trying to get this guy to raise rates for two years, he's now like pursuing this guy legally uh for his expensive building. >> The DOJ is Yeah, technically. Yeah, it's obviously being read as like Trump is like going after this. He also posted like a twominut like sincere post video on YouTube where he's like he's like crying on camera. He's It's just the funniest video. Trump is >> he's like no JP. Did you not see this video? >> No. >> It's so good. >> Just throw up a bit. >> Okay, imagine that you are Jerome

48:41 Powell, right? And like because Trump has been yelling at you for two years to raise rates, uh you're just like, "Well, I guess I can do anything because if I break any law now, the liberals are going to say like he's only enforcing this law because because I won't lower the rates." So you like this is actually like a way in which I would use my get out of jail free pass scenario. I'm I'm going to use my get out of jail free pass to just like build myself the most baller office of all time because it's [clears throat] like this plausibly seems right like this would be a really defensible way to do it. Like I bet he actually thought this. [laughter] >> Yeah, plausibly deniable. It's like oh this guy's been on me to raise the rates for like three years. I just uh won't

49:27 raise the rates and uh yeah whole whole you know I can get away with anything because these these liberals will back me up. That actually that would actually be genius if he did that honestly he deserves like uh the amazing office. I don't I don't know if I'd buy it that he did it on purpose but that would be pretty amazing. I I don't know how this works because I've never misallocated like hundreds of million dollars of like uh federal funds, but like try to put yourself in a position where you are imagining yourself misallocating that many federal funds, right? Uh you're probably thinking about like what if I get caught, right? Like you have to be at some point wondering like what what happens? Uh, it would be the first thing that you think of is like, well,

50:12 actually, I think I'm pretty good if I get caught because it just looks like Trump is doing some sort of like uh like he he's coming after me for >> not raising the rates. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. It it would be it would be pretty gigabrained actually. Um >> like I just think there's a 0% chance that the guy didn't consider this. [snorts] That would be super epic actually if he's like uh yeah, that would be so funny, man. Oh my god. Regardless of whether or not Jerome Powell was or wasn't embezzling US government funds, it's still deeply disturbing that he was able to have his financial transactions tracked in such a way. If you'd like to avoid this problem in the future, feel

50:57 free to rely on our newest sponsor, Zcash. Z.cash, of cash, completely private and untraceable transactions. Check them out. >> Did you see uh the the whole uh thinking machines uh drama where uh these like three people left Mirror Murad's company and joined OpenAI again after they raised like $2 billion. They did like a like this is worse than like a crypto rug. like they raised $2 billion for like a PDF with eight people and uh like a year in or something they just left and went back to their original company. Uh it's it's actually kind of uh Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And then this

51:42 guy apparently was also like dating uh someone. I don't know if it's a girl or a guy, but that this guy was dating someone at the company. >> Yeah, he was like uh fired or whatever. I don't know. It's this very weird situation. I also feel like I and you know, who knows because maybe he's got like he gets fired for a cause or something, but I also feel like people are very attached to the idea of like getting fired or like no, I'm resigning. I'm not getting you can't fire me. Like I resign and like no, you can't resign. I fired you. It's like dude like uh if you get fired, you get severance. If you resign, you often don't. And it's like uh but people are like uh very attached to this idea.

52:27 >> They had the same sentimentality with breakups too. Like you remember the age when like everyone was like no like I dumped her or him or whatever it was me and then at some point everyone realizes that actually you want to be the dumped one because it lets you have much more freedom after the fact. Like if you are the one that dumps them, you have to go like six months of like publicly like mourning and like not dating anyone else and like but then >> I don't think people do that anymore, man. People break up and they like uh immediately it's it's kind of a heads well girls have always done the thing I don't want to go to gender discourse here but girls have always done the thing where like you know they break up and then they immediately like uh like wow there's this new guy I met like 0.03 zero three seconds after I broke up with you. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that

53:13 curious? Um, but I I I don't know. You know, it's like a weird uh I I don't think people uh I don't think that's a thing, man. I think people are just evil nowadays. Do you think people have like real qualms about like uh >> Oh, I don't the people that I know that are are going through like breakups or whatever. Like maybe this is just like uh you're younger enough than me >> that you're dealing with, but like the old old heads I know are still kind of like >> you're not supposed to like >> you have to take time. >> Yeah. Like you're not supposed to be making like Only Fans content with like your new girlfriend or whatever for the next like two months or something.

53:58 >> Yeah. I I think in my Yeah, I think I think in I mean I'm not that much younger than you, but I I do think uh we're like riding the tiger at this point. Like you guys still have some some like presumption of like civility, but we're just like total freefor-all evil mode. Like it's it's just priced in. We're being evil, you know? Like that's just the way it's going to be. um versus like you guys are still pretending to be nice people. Like there's still this veil of like, oh, you got to you can't do that. You can't like break up with them right away. That's not very nice. And it's just like uh there's all these relationships I see with my peers where it's like they're

54:43 both just hurting each other. Like they're both acting >> inducing they're inducing very high instability, right? It's like you're making the compromise towards stability and it's somehow making you even less stable and you're like >> you're just both doing like the maximally evil thing you can get away with to each other all the time 247 and it's like are either of you happy? Like are either of you enjoying this at all? Why is this >> something >> older people truly cannot understand the extent to which like so many relationships that Zoomer guys and girls have are just like uh I hate my [ __ ] [ __ ] of a girlfriend slash I hate my boyfriend like uh >> yeah it's like uh I mean like Boomer said it and it was like kind of like a jokeish but like uh

55:29 >> you're getting to the levels where like Zoomer guys and girls are like actively orchestrating a substantial amount of like uh their mental energy towards like how do I ruin this person's life. >> Yeah. How do I [snorts] ruin my boyfriend? >> Like, how do I get back at her for this like thing that she did? >> Yeah. It's like, how do I how do I make uh how do I make my my boyfriend's day like worse? How do how do I ruin they like wake up? Like, how do I make my girlfriend's day? >> How do I embarrass my significant other? Like what would be the most embarrassing thing that I could plausibly deniably get away with uh in this relationship? >> Literally just that. It's like who is

56:14 the worst person that I can like do the thing to them? Like not quite DM them, but like maybe I will go and like seven stories from like your best friend at 3:00 a.m. in the morning. Uh it's it's just like how close to like doing something straight up evil can I get without like >> and it's it's really funny because both both parties now are willing to like make themselves like look like like a huge loser towards the end of like humiliating their partner. Like guys will go and leave these like egregiously simpy comments on like some random girl's uh like Instagram post if they know that it's going to make their girlfriend like suicidal. and girls will

56:59 make these like egregiously [ __ ] comments towards like random like uh famous guys knowing that it's going to do the same to their boyfriend, right? Like both of these people are lowering their own status to basically zero in order to stab their uh their >> zeroing myself out to just like [ __ ] you over even more. >> Yeah, it is such a weird >> spite, man. >> Yeah, it's such a weird such a weird state of affairs. Uh the Oh my god, dude. Speaking of the the celebrity thing, like what a [ __ ] weird time when there was like that meme that like like uh people would have you believe that like you had to tolerate your boyfriend or girlfriend because like both sides would do this publicly having a celebrity crush and being like, "Wow, I really want to have sex with this

57:45 person. Like I like I would ruin my whole life to have sex and like the the public would have had you believe for like a significant period of time that like you were a really bad person. It not even like not even like no I hypothetically wouldn't let you have sex with this person. Like just straight up like uh yeah I'm hypothetically like not okay with you publicly telling everyone that you really want to have sex with this person. It's like like I'm not even like denying like maybe given the circumstances you can do it. It's just like yeah, please don't tell my mom that you really want to have sex with like uh Jason Mimoa or whatever. I just I see all these >> It was always that guy. That guy was like the god of creating these like epic

58:30 cuck pictures where it's like uh the wife there's like a line of like 15 wives that want to come up and have pictures where they're like hugging this guy while the guy is like while Jason is like pushing their husband away. It's like they want their boyfriend in the photo as well. Like it it's it's so bad. It's like you can't even they're not even doing it for themselves. They're like clearly doing it to harm the other person. >> Yeah. Like it's like literally like I hate my boyfriend so much that I want I want to permanently I want to permanently document his like epic cuckled rehumiliation at the hands of this like meme cuckled creator celebrity guy who's like like I don't even know what Jason Mamoa does as like a person. I literally only know him from memes on

59:15 the internet of him in these like weird reverse cuck pictures. >> Yeah. I I don't I I've seen like a couple of these lately. I I I saw one like uh a week ago or something. I I actually was not aware that like this is a big and he's like the guy for this. I didn't know that was really a thing. Uh but yeah, apparently I guess man I I don't know. It's such a cursed and like humiliation ritual world. Uh there there's all these things that people put themselves through or that like you're even expected to put yourself through. They're just like obviously like negative expected value. Obviously, no sane person would ever do this. And if you describe it, like if you very coldly dissect like >> or like even from the girl side, like

1:00:00 yeah, you need to be okay with your boyfriend like on his public social media where your mom follows him, >> right? And he follows like like half of his Instagram follow. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> And it's always like really trashy ones, too. It's like like it's not even like oh he's following like uh like Gio Scotty. It's always like Titsma G and she just has like huge comically >> it's like it's like some like 40-year-old who has like four times oversized implants. You're just like dude like this is just so absurd. Like >> it just it doesn't even look good, you know? And then the girl will literally be like some random like Midwestern brunette like his girlfriend and you're just like dude like I'm not like I'm not like a feminist, you know? But like

1:00:46 >> like you shouldn't be doing this, right? Like I am so rarely on the women's side in anything, but like you should be able to restrain yourself. Well, it's also this thing where like um like women are actually pretty adaptable at like their boyfriend being kind of evil about this stuff, funnily enough. So, it it makes it like so much more evil when uh when the when the boyfriend does this stuff cuz it's like, dude, you like just follow girls that look like a slightly hotter version of her and she'll like cope herself into like like no like uh like she'll be talking to her friends like, "No, Sarah. Like, he follows this girl cuz she looks like me." And it's like like women will like

1:01:31 uh are like coping contortionists. They're amazing at it. She will cope herself into like this being boyish for your relationship. You just have to like give her the epic and only follows porn stars who look somewhat similar to me. Like they only have the same hair color as I do. Oh my god, I'm so blessed. I'm so blessed. Affirm [laughter] my relationship is the best, >> dude. But it is true. This stuff happens, man. Like I'm I'm telling you, dude. Women are like the maximal copers of all time. They're so good at it. >> But yeah, less people should be in relationships. I I think more more people should break up paradoxically. Like it needs to get way worse before it's going to get better. We need to

1:02:17 like properly enter a relationship recession. >> And on that note, I think we're going to be calling it quits. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Plausibly Deniable. And thank you to our sponsors for making this all possible. Godspeed. Later guys.