Vegas: Ragebait Advertising and The 'Idea' of Fun

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00:00 Wait, this goes viral on Twitter like every two months without a doubt. It's like the man who gives their female friend their dating app. >> And then she's like, I'm going to write a really thoughtful response to this girl. >> I'm going to get you so many matches. >> I'm going to get you so many. It's so easy to get girls. You're going to get so many girls. >> And then they try they try for like three days and all unmatched blocks. Like there was one the other day that went viral that was like uh she was like I'm going to write this super and she spent like five minutes crafting out this like carefully written message that like referenced all of the special prompts that she had and like really thoughtful comments about all of her clothing or whatever in the video in the photos and then it's like red 30 seconds later unmatched yet. And the guy's

00:47 commenting and he he said like it looked like her face uh like it looked like she'd gotten slapped or something, right? >> Yeah. And this just happens every single time you let uh you let because I mean I've done this all the time. Like I always thought that this was a fun thing to do in college is like uh you know because anytime girls see whatever you're doing on a dating app, they're like there's no way that would work. Like women will never fall for this. It's just the fish. It's just like the fish that's like out of water talking to the fisherman and being like that would never work, bro. And it's like, dude, like you fell for this last week, man. That's why you're here. That's why I know you. That's why you're like sitting in the chair in like a fish tank next to me and not in the water, bro. Like, you just fell. This is

01:32 the same exact hook I used on you, man. Like, this is like, does this lure not look like familiar at all? And they're looking at their lure. really hard like really close like no that would never that's doesn't look familiar at all wouldn't work at all bro they hate the thing they hate the thing where like the guy will go and he'll just copy paste the same exact line to like 500 different people they'll be like dude like I've seen that line before that would never work on me and then it's like all guys do it because they have AB tested this method versus every other method and they have determined >> every guy who seriously takes dating apps seriously and like talks to me about them just says like, "Dude, there's this like unpatched latest thing that I AB tested and it's 80% better."

02:19 It's literally such a soulless experience, but it's literally the response is like, "I tried this on 107 women and the response rate back was like 73% which is better than my next best thing, which I was doing last month." But clearly the meta has evolved and now it's like 20% down. It's the exact same thing as like short form video ads where you know you have those games that pop up and it's like you have the person being like they're saying this game is fake but it's obviously real. I'm totally playing the game right now and they're like moving between the sides saying like okay like I have the I have the army platoon. They're shooting bullets this way. Oh no. And then how do those games exist? There's clearly like a contingent of zombie humans that actually play those games. No, no, no. so much better. I for this was like two

03:06 years ago, we were doing something uh we were doing consulting for some company that was doing like web 3 gaming or whatever. And so I downloaded a bunch of these gotacha games to see like how do they generate revenue, right? And it actually is like you play this game puzzle sequence like maybe 4% of the time. The rest of the game is a series of like there's like all these resources that you just have to click on. You have to open the app every like seven minutes to click on your things or else they like overflow and go away. Or you can buy like a stack increase. So like you only have to open the app every 15 minutes. Like the entire thing is just this trap that gets you opening the app as many times as possible and then your reward at the end is playing this stupid puzzle

03:52 game, right? >> Yeah. You only get to like do the core gameplay loop for like 4% of the time. the the hook that they realize gets everyone is when you have uh you have the guy playing the game and it's like it's obvious that he's making the wrong decision, right? Like he's over he moved the army platoon to this side. >> You're looking at this and you're like no like the big guy is coming. You have to start shooting the rage going to kill you. the rage bait theory of advertisements. >> And it works because you're like, "Dude, like, wow, is that what the average I could get a high >> Maybe that's what the dating app thing is a very good example of one of these pills that all of the boomers don't understand. Like if you're if you're to go and tell them like uh that people have forgotten how cold approaching works, like the idea of walking up to someone and saying,

04:37 >> "No, it's not just that people have forgotten how it works." It's that like if you do it, people will think like you're not supposed to do that. Like you're not allowed. like dating apps have created it's like old school like video games where there's like PvP zones where you're allowed to fight people and there's zones where like if you use a sword on someone it just like bounces off of them or something and it's kind of like that where like now it's like when people are not in PV like in dating zones which is like a bar uh not even like nowadays you can't even you're like kind of not even allowed to like do it anywhere even if you're like >> I know that I was waiting when you said when you said a bar I was Like I was waiting for you to try and explain to me how it's allowed because like we were just at a nightclub at literally 4 in the morning with everyone hammered and

05:22 we witnessed everybody not trying to get laid. >> So I think the thing is like there's the zone thing which is like you're definitely not allowed to do it like outside of the nightclub. In the nightclub, you're allowed to do it, but people will just look at you like, >> "Bro, are you >> really doing PvP in the PVP zone? >> Everyone is like preying on your failure, right?" Like, they all everyone's just like really confused about what you're trying to accomplish. It's like way worse. It's like, >> "Dude, are you really doing PvP in the PVP zone, bro? Come on, man. Just like that, bro." There were there were some of the people there where like uh when one of the guys got hit on like the friend would be like >> well that's what I'm talking about.

06:07 They're like >> he's like are you really doing that man? Yeah. They're like >> aren't wheel like above this like it's people who treat uh who treat the dating like it's uh like childish. It's like I think a lot of it though does come down to the fact that at this particular environment it's like if you engage with any of these people it's like they just don't you know like the way the way in which people there was a girl that came up to SA and just did the most like egregious >> dude like it was so >> she literally she came up to him and uh this was a girl who was like I'm not going to be mean but she was a solid like maybe like four points less attractive than SA uh and she comes up and takes a picture with him and then literally walks like does not Okay,

06:52 pause. Does not ask for my permission to take a picture of me. Does not like doesn't even like fully say hello to me. Yes. Just like stands in front of him dancing. >> Stands in front of me. >> Takes the picture dancing >> and then like leans to the side, puts her phone. Can you like show like come like show like >> I'm not going to like I'm not going to >> I'm not going to be the girl but like comes like this and goes like puts her phone such that like it looks like I allowed her to take this photo and just takes photo >> and then and then >> and then sends it to a group >> and then sends it to No, it wasn't a group chat. it was to her female friend and then she starts like talking about like look at this hot guy I'm with right and it's like all this like I could see

07:37 this and SA's right behind her so I like 100% know that SA sees this but then this girl also just like runs away right >> yes dude it was so bizarre man >> and I'm just sitting here thinking like this is like people have this inability to understand that women can be autistic I was Okay, pause. I was skirting around this content because I was like, I can't like do the humble brag so hard where I'm like, the perfect example of this is the girl that came up to me. >> It was just like a textbook example of like the Zoomer society doesn't understand like >> like it doesn't make sense because you're also >> like the goal was the photo. Like the photo was the end goal literally. Like

08:22 there wasn't like it wasn't like I'm taking the photo and the photo demonstrates that another thing happened and that's really what I'm bragging about. No, the photo was the thing. It's like the simulacra thing where it's like baldardian simulacra like this is what you were here for. You were here for the photo >> and the entire thing is this bizarre inversion where like when I was a young man, right, we would go out to the club and then what you do >> the worst thing was the photo. You didn't want the photo. What you wanted was the other. Nobody taking photos of you with any of these girls that you are with this night, right? Like it's not something like it's you don't want to see it on stage. >> Certainly the girls didn't want the photo. Like in fact, the girls were much like much less wanting the photo than the guys. >> Yes. But now you have like I'm going to

09:07 take I'm going to wear the [ __ ] thing in the universe. I'm going to go out. I'm going to get photographed with guys in a way that >> not I'm going to get photographed. I'm going to photograph myself with a guy in a way in a way that implies certain things, right? And then I'm not going to do any of that. So, it's like they're getting all of the downside. Like you're maxing out downside. It's a total value inversion and then you don't have any actual like you don't get the upside of the [ __ ] >> The whole point was like the whole point in the past was like I don't want anyone to know that I did this, but I want to do this. And that's the whole idea behind like >> sultry and flirting and like sexy and any of these things >> and it's just total inversion. It's just completely gone. And no, like I don't even know why it happens really. Like I

09:52 don't understand like I am clearly the boomer here. I don't understand the incentives for like why someone comes up, takes the picture, sends it to her friend, says, "Oh my god, look at this hot guy I'm with." And then leaves. Like that doesn't make any sense to me. It was also super funny how like uh the other German models we were talking about to them like >> getting the photo taken with them that is sent to the friend or to the group chat >> that was the sex for them. >> Yes, that was the end goal. For them it's like the count is like how many girls came up to me embarrassed themselves and like kind of tried to take a photo with me that like implied something and then immediately scured off. That was the thing. Yeah. It's like the meme of uh this happened to me in Taipei once. I went out with this guy who was

10:38 uh it's like a Zoomer who was dating some like Instagram girl, right? And uh when she went to the bathroom, he's like, "Dude, isn't my girlfriend so hot, bro?" And he starts showing me pictures of her on Instagram and I'm like, "That was the thing that we didn't do." Well, I was like, "Dude, like I can see her. Like, she doesn't look like that. Like, she's sitting across the table from us. Oh, that's the thing you're talking about. That's the big one, too, bro. >> I'm like, dude, like, I get that, but this is like a like an edited or like it's just not her. Like, I can objectively see her. You're uh you're trying to have sex with a picture. Like, it's not a person. It's unironically like the camera has become the sexual object. It's like, yeah, it's it's very very

11:23 bizarre. And you can't explain this like you are befuddled by this and you were like I could not >> you were an uncharacteristically like in touch with quote unquote the youth. You're not even like that much older than me but like it's very bizarre for you already. >> It is I will say the cut off and like the weirdness happened exactly between you and I. >> Yes. Like it like you were literally like I don't think you're the last guy on the chopper out of Nom. I had a year of like [ __ ] worked uh in my life and like I saw society kind of sort of functioning and then it just all of a sudden like during co like everything broke like insta giga breaking >> dude co is just like the total breaking the the parlay of like me too into co

12:08 into Donald Trump getting reelected has just been like step functional decreases in like working it's not even it's just like the social fabric and like I used to say the soul fabric is in tatters. What I'd say now is like the accurate description now is like no one even remembers the social like if you go like the social fabric is in tatters. People like look at you very confused. >> They're like what what the [ __ ] is a social contract dude? I've never heard of that. Like >> I don't remember signing any such thing. >> Yeah. It's like you go like no one knows how to relate each other anymore and like interact with each other and you're like and and they look at you like it's very confusing that you're considering that like people once knew how to interact with each other and also like okay there's a specific there's a

12:54 specific older woman that we talked to recently. We could go and we could tell all of this stuff about this club and how it functioned. I guarantee you 100% chance her response would be I don't like I think you're lying to me. like she literally would not believe us. And I think for most most older boomers when you explain the concept of like a club to them, the whole point is like you go there so you can do things that like you want to do, but you don't really want people to see you doing and that's the whole point. And like if you were to explain to a like the other thing, dude, the German models were like drinking water half of the time. >> Yeah. >> Like so you go out clubbing, no one drinks alcohol, right? The music is not good. The music was like historic. >> We should We should talk about how after >> We should talk about the music. >> Finish your thing. But I have some

13:39 thoughts. >> The music is bad. You're not like flirting with anyone. You're not even like dancing that hard. You just do the NPC like hand and bob your body a little thing. Like it's just this and it's on a loop. It's like on a loop. And then every once in a while you like lean in. You go, "Are you having a really good?" And you you can't hear anybody as well because the music is like far too loud to talk. It's like, "Are you having a good time, man?" And then they say something back to you. Yes. They do the eye thing a lot where they like they like close the eyes and they go, >> "I swear to God, this is like their exact response every time. Are you having a good time, bro?" >> Yeah. >> And then it's it's like they don't hear what you say back. They just assume the answers like, "I'm having a good time,

14:25 bro." They go, "I'm having a good time, too, man. This is the best time. >> This is the best time. >> So good. >> But yeah, we should talk about the music. Okay. I the whole time. >> One disclaimer. Hold on. >> Vegas is the place where like the music people are put out to pasture. Like if you were ever a kid and you had a dog that was like taken to the good place by your parents. If you're if you're Vegas is that place. If you're if you're performing music in Vegas at any point of your career, it appears to be like what happens with like Shrek 6, right? Where they're like, "We've we've really milked this for all all that the brand has, and now it's like we're going to old yeller you in Vegas."

15:10 >> Yeah. It's like the place where you go if you like didn't make it enough, but you made it enough that you're a thing and you still need to like milk the really like really old and tortured cow. >> Yes. So they we we were at like Omnia. We were watching Zeds uh and it was just like this is someone who has in theory like 10 years ago, >> dude. 10 years ago I would have been so stoked to go see Zed, man. Yeah, I would have been like, "Holy [ __ ] bro." But like all that happened was it was a bunch of music from like 15 to 20 years ago that was like remixed. But like he would do this thing where he remixed it. So you you hear the hook and then you build up to the drop and then every

15:55 single >> The drop is always mistimed. >> The drop is not just mistimed, but the drop itself is like ruined, right? It's >> the drop itself is also not good. It's not a good drop either. Yeah. And every single drop is it also it was like the same bad drop every time >> and it was always like too long but also not quite long enough that you're just doing like a higher tempo of like more more dropping. >> It sounded it was a genuinely confusing beat. Like every single drop is like you have one track that's like the normal drop and then you have another one that's like 80% louder that's the same exact music but like 15% faster. So it's like just offbeat and you're just like I remember like we would all be kind of dancing if we like like the thing happens. Yes. You like at some point you get tired of doing the like the oh the

16:42 drop dance and then it's like and the drop keeps going and like maybe you're about to like okay I guess we're doing this. Like I guess it's just dropped from now on. Like that's fine too I guess. But then it stops like once you're like back to doing the thing it stops. And you can also literally like I knew it wasn't just us because I'm watching everyone in the audience and everyone is like super hyped for the hook. They're like, "Dude, I remember this song, bro. Like I was seven years old when they made it. This thing went so hard when I was seven years old, bro." And then they literally like everyone's head stops bobbing. Like it's like an instantaneous sinosoidal damping to zero when the drop hits because everyone is so unenthused about what he's done to this song. The only exception is for his own songs. He didn't screw up the drop.

17:27 >> There was like one or two songs where he didn't screw the drop because the only thing he did is press play. >> Yes. He just played an unedited version of the song. And this whole time, keep in mind. >> And then also, wait, the other thing he does is uh like we're right behind the DJ. Like it's literally just like us, our guardrail, and Zed. >> Yeah. It's like we can reach out and grab this guy >> and we're there and we're doing the Bob thing and uh as one does. that like clearly the Bob thing is what you're allowed to do. And like towards the beginning I was like trying to do like actual dancing and like no you just do the bob man. You do the >> I watched SA like looking around and gradually realizing like not even the women are dancing. >> No no you just are only allowed to do the bob man. And uh you you're doing the

18:14 bob. He's right behind you and you just see him like looking down at his phone or whatever. And then you hear, "Are you [ __ ] ready, Vegas?" And it's like, >> "There's no microphone near him. He didn't say this. Everyone can clearly see that he didn't say this." But for whatever reason, he chose to like instead of just like picking up a microphone and being like, >> "Are you [ __ ] ready, Vegas?" >> The ultimate lip sync failure of all time where it's like you're like, "I cannot even be asked to like fake this." Right? And the other thing that he's faking is like he's sitting there jumping up and down while he's like he's got his hands hovering over these decks and he's just like like he's just doing he's doing >> and nothing is happening to the song nothing.

18:59 >> And like SA SA looks over at me. He's like dude like look he's faking the DJ. And we look over and like he's literally not touching any of the buttons. He's doing like a jazz level. Like it used to be like people would fake the DJ because like originally DJing meant like you were actually mixing the songs together and you were like like uh back when you had like vinyl music. You would like flip through the vinyls live and like you would like have headphones on you that were playing a different track than the track that was playing, right? Like there's nothing on that headphone. Like the headphone is just there because it's like uh >> it's tradition. He's probably it's covering the earplugs. He's like, "You had earplugs on." Yes. And so, like,

19:45 normally you're supposed to have the headphone and you use the headphone to like ceue up the next track so that it syncs correctly with the current track and you like merge the BPMs and the volumes and like maybe you pull out the backing track, but you leave the lyrics and you pull in the backing track of the other one or you pull in the like there's all the like how you actually DJ. Not anymore. Now it's just like hook and then generic drop number one. And then you've already pulled the song out and generic drop number one is just playing and then generic drop. And then the other reason you can tell it's like all totally pre-recorded is because there's like this very complex lighting and like fire and smoke and air and laser show that is all like clearly too

20:32 complex to be done live. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Perfectly timed to everything. And so it's like if he had ever changed anything, all of this production would have been. And here's the thing, that would all be fine if this was a club. And like it was like, oh, Zed's at the club, I guess. But like the real objective is like, oh, I want to talk to a girl or talk to a guy or whatever. But it's like, no, that's not the objective. The objective is basically pining. You're just like trying to look hot for five hours. And it's like, who are you trying to look hot for? the other people. I guess it's like, well, do you want them to talk to you? Not really. Uh, okay. And what is everyone else doing? Everyone else is also doing the same thing, dude. It's just like everyone is posting an Instagram story

21:18 in person for 5 hours. >> The entire experience on like multiple levels. It's like quadratic scaling fakeness. Like everything about like you go there to take the pictures not to dance or to have sex, but like the pictures of the thing that you're taking of everything is fake, right? Like you are AI editing your picture. You have the layers of makeup on in the picture. The people around you are all faking what they're doing. The show itself is faking what it's doing. like the entire Vegas itself is a a city dedicated to faking what >> it's but it's like you're not even doing the thing that you do in Vegas anymore. You're faking that you're doing the thing that >> Yeah. You're like I'm going to Vegas, man. And like the thing that >> it's going to be so degenerate, bro.

22:03 It's going to be so wild. >> And then you're drinking like seltzer water while head bobbing at this show. >> If you if you like ask like they have the alcohol at the thing, but everyone just asks for water. >> That was so funny. Yeah. And they they're like we were all >> It's really good alcohol, too. It's like the super expensive stuff. >> Yes. We had all of the nice bottles and they all got totally ignored. And I did this myself. Like I was eating the Red Bulls. >> Like we were just going through >> all of the all of the water in Red Bull. >> Is fine. But it's not even the Red Bulls, dude. The people are just grabbing water. Bro, >> I needed the Red Bulls because by like by like >> Lucas was a trooper. I will say like total total like old old boomer trooper. Luke, I was like I at one point I go to Lucas and I'm like, "Dude, you can

22:48 leave. Like, it's okay, man." And Lucas is like, "No, I have to stick this out." Like, "Surely this will get better at some point, bro." >> I had this idea that at some cuz I was like, you know, like at the end, >> I just basically thought that like at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, we all go like, "Ha, we got the boomers. We're faking it. Now, let's actually do the clubbing." >> No, no. And like I remember how it used to go when you you go to shows like >> it would be like awkward for 30 minutes but then like people would start drinking and start like actually doing the thing. >> Well and then also you start off playing like the guy starts off playing his shitty songs and he gradually starts playing like the good ones. He gets in the groove like everything gets more fun. >> Did you notice he didn't even fake an encore? >> Yes. >> That was Yeah. There wasn't even a faking. And then like after he left,

23:35 there was another DJ after, but literally like the whole club left. Like so many people left that like we were trying to leave through like >> 5:30 in the morning. >> We were trying to leave through the secret entrance and like even the secret entrance was like so many people leaving, man. >> It was just uh very bad. And the only reason, by the way, is like much more of a zoomer than you, like the only reason that I like know that this could be different is because like I've been overseas and like they still know it is just the tweet of like >> like I took my my my uh father-in-law to see an old church and I was like, "What would it take to build this today?" And he just started, >> we don't have the technology. >> We don't know how anymore, son. We don't

24:22 It's like, dude, you just don't know how. And it's not even like, oh, we can learn. No, it's like there's not the critical mass of people that you can learn this from. Like there just isn't even the critical mass. And the also even the clubbing dancing places and the places where there is real clubbing dancing. It's all the thing where it's like the little circle of your friends like the guy circle and the girl circle and the guy circle and the girl circle and it's like uh you like group approach which is also not the way it was but I never saw the before times of that. So I'm not even referencing the before times as much as just like how it goes on in other countries. Like if you go to Europe, if you go to Asia, you go to the club like it's a club.

25:08 >> People talk to each other, >> right? People are there to try and meet people of the opposite sex, right? So that's why cuz like I had just been living overseas for like years, >> dude. It's like Okay, I have the perfect analogy for it. >> What the It's like if people, you know, the the thing that influencers do where they like uh rent out the fake private jets to take fake private jet photos. >> Yeah. >> It's like if people were renting a real private jet just to take the photo. It's like people are like, "Oh, dude, we're going on the private jet." It's like, "Where are we going? What do you mean? We're just going to take photos." And it's like, "You're doing what?" And it's like, "Okay, I guess I'll come." Then you go, they're like flying like from LA to New York. They fly halfway there. They take a bunch of photos and then they fly back to LA. Like the airplane turns around in midair. >> And it's like at a certain point

25:54 actually the people who are renting the private jet are like actually just better than this. Like it's like you're doing the real thing to do the fake thing. It's so backwards, dude. Yeah. I I was just kind of shocked. You couldn't explain this to like your parents. You actually could not. >> No, literally like anyone who's even like five to 10 years older than >> the only parents who get it like uh I think my parents actually are pretty like getting it people. The only parents who get it are like, "Dude, it's so rough. They just look at you like they look at you like you just came back from like the trenches in World War II." they had shown a video of like what that night looked like to my mom. Like she would actually just start crying >> and not because it's like, you know,

26:40 like my mom is not like I love like degenerate club culture, but like just the total like a uh asociality of the thing. >> It's not even asexuality, it's asociality. Yes. It's like nonsocial. >> Yes. Like the way that nobody like they created a situation perfectly where you literally cannot interact with other people without it being like socially taboo. >> Yes. >> Like that's what the whole thing is >> and consequently nobody talked to each other, right? So it's just very bizarre. And >> the whole thing is like the like the closest social thing you do is you like like there were people that I saw like doing eye but then they they just do the eye and that's it. I will say the nicest interaction that I had with any girl

27:25 that night was when we were and this is it's such a such a >> leaving one was so >> there's some random black girl that was like how did you get those arms? Are you like on those peptides or something like that? And uh I was like we were going home so I I just I said like no I just play tennis also like also four points below you. >> Right. But she was the only girl that whole night that said anything to me >> like tried to interact with anyone. No, no, no. She was the only girl out of any of the girls that talked to me that said anything that I could say like this is like a like a person said this. Like this was a genuine thing as opposed to like one of those NPC like starter lines where it's like you you pick option A, B, or C. >> It's a line that like you can say something back to even if it's not that good of answerable. That's what it was.

28:10 It was an answerable thing. So many of the girls will come up and they will say this thing where it's like, "I can answer you, but I have to use like, you know, like I have to spike my CPU core speed to like 100% to try and auto >> to not seem like an asshole." Like not even >> the thing that you said is so like uh Yeah, >> it's so unanswerable, man. Yes, it was so bad, dude. I actually I regretted for like an hour like not going back to that girl and saying like to go but like I really appreciate I really appreciate the way that you just were like normal and somewhat personable and I say this to people doing this things will go so well for you. Dude, I say this to people all the time, but it's like nowadays like there's an actual desire sometimes when

28:55 a girl that you're like not into, not in the mood for, don't have the time for, but she like did the right thing >> like anything. She just did like a version of the thing that could be described as the same category as like maybe the right thing like in the direction of the thing you're supposed to. >> You want to like give her the head. You want to give her, you want to be like, >> dude, not me, but like you're going to crush it. And like it is just like like you are legitimate. >> There is literally an insane premium on like a person who can do something that has a semblance of the thing. Like if you are a girl and you literally just pick a guy who is not like four points over you

29:40 >> and you problem though is like they only do to guys where for where like and like I'm not doing the thing where like we're Yeah. It's just like uh it's not good, man. It's Yeah. Yeah, dude. Everyone is only willing to like put themselves out there and make themselves seem like an idiot if it's someone who's so egregiously like beyond their reach that like they don't feel like a loser for publicly humiliating themselves, which means that like >> it's just over. >> Dude, it's over. Humanity is like pandas, bro. It's like it's so over. It's the panda the pandisation of humanity, bro. It's like it's like uh like the chimps in captivity are not even like jerking off anymore. Like

30:27 they're just like nothing, bro. >> They're just they're sitting there photographing themselves. >> Falls in love with like the depiction of the penguin, like the anime penguin, but not even. It's like the penguin is also ignoring the anime depiction of penguin. Dude, I'm really regretting not having taken a GoPro into that club. Like, >> it would have been historic. It would have actually >> like archival footage. >> The thing is, it's like it's a supremely boring video, but like there's a highlight reel that you could make that would condense the entire experience down to like 3 minutes long that I think if I were to show that to everyone, >> you could show it to like a boomer and they would be like, >> "That can't have been the most interesting thing that come if I was there. You must be missing the signs, Jimmy. must have been a cherry picked.

31:12 Yeah. Oh, you must have, you know, back in the day like you young kids, you're too autistic. You and then you go and you see like everybody standing in like perfectly squared off boxes where it's like there's like 8 in on all sides. >> Goed content would be like impractical jokers, but you like wire up some Zoomer kid to some boomer and uh you give the Zoomer kid like a pendulum GoPro, like one of the ones that's here that's like kind of discreet. Yeah. And then you just like get the boomer play by play tell him what to do. Oh my god. It would either one either the boomer like 10 minutes in is just like >> like shell shocked look just like what is going on man. Like just saying like I'm so sorry. I'm so so sorry.

31:57 >> They start coping. They say you must have been making some like stupid face. Like you must have been frowning at him or like you've got to be personable. Like you've got to walk up to her, give her a firm handshake, and say, "Nice breasts, ma'am." Like, >> it's just like uh the the other thing the zoomers such a funny thing to say right before I get the notification on my screen that my mom texted me. The other thing is like boomers will be like, "Just tell her she looks pretty." And it's like, "Oh god." Like, how do I explain? It's like like I don't know how to explain how out of meta this move is. Like you're so far behind that you just told me like you didn't tell me to like shake the

32:42 manager's hand firmly. You just told me like >> you told send them a firm pigeon letter. >> It's like you told me to fax them an application. >> Not even fax. It's like you just told me like, "Dude, just use like a really good wax seal on your letter, bro. The king loves upgrade your king." Yeah, the king loves the good wax seals, bro. It's like, dude, just like uh >> What here's what happened as far as I can tell, though, is you have like uh it used to be like you walk up to her and say like, "Wow, you're stunning." Blah blah blah. And what happened is there were too many pickup artists that wrote about this on the internet. I started doing the pickup artist things, but then girls, because so many guys started doing the pickup artist things, girls like became familiar with the pickup

33:27 artist things. So now it's like and then that kept snowballing. So now we're on like the fifth generation of like the genders leaprogging the optimal game theoretical social response to each other in these situations. And you have to be like metaaware of all of the previous generations to know to avoid the things that because you know you can now say something and like people don't like assess the statement in >> unironically if I wanted to like pick up a girl I think the only thing I could have thought to do is like point out someone else and just humiliate the other person. Yeah, >> I think that's like I think actually like the highest success would be like, "Dude, >> oh my god, look at those people. Haha, aren't they? >> We're so much better than them. Like we're together. Us too." Like that's crazy how much better we are. Us. Wow.

34:15 I've noticed. And then you just >> I've noticed that you're also not a huge loser. Like those people. It's like those people are doing the exact same thing as you, by the way. Like >> it's definitely uh like unironically I think that like bonding over someone else trying to pick up someone in a humiliating way is probably the best way to pick up >> you just can't do anything that like isn't like five levels of meta aare. >> Yes. Because every every like what I was saying before is people don't assess the statement in uh like abstract now, right? Like if I were to walk up to a girl and say you're so beautiful, they don't hear it as you're so beautiful. They They hear like pickup line number seven. >> Yes. They hear they hear okay what is the aggregate of the type of guy who typically says you're so beautiful when

35:00 they approach me and then they say okay so this person's been lumped in with that box. The optimal game theoretic response to guys in this box is and now you're like in this lockstep social interaction that's already been pre-calculated. The reason that like uh humiliating somebody like making fun of somebody else works so well is that like you would basically be like uh you you're like signaling that you're aware that picking up someone is cringe and like it also has like the sort of pervasive casual cruelty of our times, man. Well, it also is just like women enjoy casual cruelty, but you have to do it in a way that makes it clear that like like if she can selfinsert in the person that you're making fun of at all, it's just over for you, right? Like you have to find someone that's so far removed from her sense of selfidentity

35:45 that she can't possibly project on. All of this is like uh like >> which usually means a guy which means now you're like the biggest scumbag ever because you're like pointing to some fat guy and saying like that guy like I'm I'm calling a fat guy a loser to have sex tonight which is like you're now >> actually like Yeah. Like you're substantially worse than any amount of like fat guy. >> This is crazy. Oh my god. >> How far have we come, sir? Dude, I think I think we're we're very close to the point where the marginal utility of us >> the production value >> we have to be we have to be on site for >> the audience better not get too used to uh good production value though. That's the only uh

36:31 >> you can look we can look because now we're farther away. We can we can look right at the camera now. >> That is weird. >> Oh, I didn't even turn the light on. That's the problem. >> There we go. There we go. >> The production. Oh my god, man. Once we figure out production, it's over for everybody. >> This is substantially better, actually. Wow, look at us. >> Welcome back to another episode of the Plausibly Deniable podcast. >> Welcome. >> Sponsored by Poly Market, Zcash, Citizen X, and Passage Press. >> And Passage Press. Dear friends, dear dear friends, >> the greatest studio of all time right now, brought >> bought brought to you by multiple billion dollar entities.

37:16 >> It's uh so much has happened in the past week. >> It's been it's been an extremely bizarre last week. It started off with the enhanced games, which started off with the enhanced games pregame. >> Yeah. which was sort of uh >> lots of very rich, very uh homosexual people, Europeans, very good-looking. >> The first night we walk into a party, they all come up and they're like, "Are you gay?" And it's like, "Do you want me to be?" I had I had my first uh the first thing that I got asked was, "Wait, are you gay? I saw that you said something about being gay on the internet, but I thought you were straight, but just wanted to know. Just >> wanted to know if you were triple checking, man.

38:02 >> I was like, I don't know, man. Like, I'll do what I have to at this point. It's just, >> dude, we're trying to get invited to the cool parties. Okay. >> Yeah. I was like, I just want to get into the I want to get into the gay after party. >> We'll do a surprising amount of things to get into the cool. But no, Vegas was very fun. Uh, we met a bunch of very cool We met a bunch of poker legends. We met some extremely famous European looks maxer models. We met a bunch of hedge fund people. We met uh there were so many streamers and I'm realizing that like I've been passively consuming a lot more of this content than I realized because there were so many people that I saw and I was like >> you're like I recognize this guy. You're that guy from like the weird Tik

38:47 Tok promotional thing or like the weird clip that got posted with a caption that didn't align with what was happening in the video at all. Right. Yeah. But I just don't know who any of these people and it feels very disrespectful to be like dude and it's I don't think it's actually disrespectful if you think about it because it's like I'm not even in your orbit, but I know that I know you from somewhere. Like this is actually obviously a very good thing to tell someone. >> It's like the one time where it's valid to say like hey >> where do I know you from? I think I know you from somewhere. >> Yes. It's like the only person that it's good, but it feels so bad to say that in general that I don't really do that. >> You always feel like you're doing some sort of a passive nag. Like whenever you have to walk up, there's a few there's a few like uh introductions that you have to people. Everyone goes with the like, "So what do you do? So where are you

39:32 based out of?" And like then there's the like, >> "So where do I know you from?" Which is >> The problem is if you ask any of those things to someone whose whole job is being famous. Yeah. >> Like what do you do? It's kind of passively a nag. >> Yes. >> Because it's like you haven't done your job well enough for me to >> Yeah. Like I have no idea who you are. And it's even worse because you're like I am myself an irrelevant person asking who you are. >> So it's like >> Yeah. But no, the enhanced games were very fun. Uh you know I I don't think everything operationally went per there was like some hijinks in person. Uh overall it was very good. And what's very impressive is like in three years they basically went public, did the enhanced games and launched their whole teleahalth platform. Um the share price

40:17 is just like not doing amazing. Uh I'm I'm very hesitant to like wager our like perfect streak of like alltime perfect financial advice. Um but >> I mean again not financial advice. not financial or a perfect streak of not financial, >> but it has I it just feels like uh I think the thing they really need to do is launch a merch line because the whole enhanced branding is so good. Like it outflanks Equinox, which is like right now like the premium fitness brand >> and >> you can be more premium and more gay and more exclusive. >> It's just like has this vague sexual connotation. enhanced.

41:03 Like we can just repeat that. Enhanced. Like it just sounds like, you know, it sounds like uh the very premium version of like something vaguely sexual. >> It's like every, you know, those dick pills at the gas station. By the way, funny story about those dick pills. I stumbled across a guy on YouTube. His entire thing is he goes and he just drug tests the gas station dick pills. And in like 98% of cases, they're just Viagra. like they have like a list of like 500 different herbs on the side and then he opens them up and it's just a white powder and he's like, "Oh, this is not an herbal powder. This is >> he tests it and it's just selena." >> So the the funny thing that happens with like all health products in the US is that you like if you call it a medical

41:48 product, you can't say anything about anything unless it's you've spent like $500 million to get the FDA to like pinky promise and go through a million trials. But then if you call it like medicinal, you now get put in a different aisle and you're now in like the gray box aisle. In the gray box, like it's usually a different aisle. Like I think for regulatory reasons, it usually has to be a different aisle actually in the pharmacy, but like now you're allowed to say anything. >> Do you remember do you remember the scam that they had with like the fake weed where they would say it's incense and they were literally selling the stuff as incense, but then people were smoking it. And so like if you just develop enough of like a known uh kind of >> word of mouth. >> Yeah. Yeah. You're like, "Okay, like I know we're selling this as furniture,

42:34 but you're actually supposed to shave it into small pieces and snort it." Then eventually you can sell anything you want as like furniture, right? >> Yeah. The state of tort law. We had uh we had the airport. Oh my god. >> I tilt it out so hard because we had and this happens every single time I fly also. Like there's no way that you can pack that avoids this. But uh I was going down. I'm with SA uh and I get my bag checked, right? And I'm like, "Okay, well this is just classic. This literally happens like 80% of >> your whole bag." For context, his whole bag had already been on like multiple airplanes. >> Yes. Oh, this is the other crazy thing is there's no consistency across zero. So like you can go from like one airport to another to and then by by like seven steps in this you think well surely

43:20 there's no way they can still have a problem because I've removed all of the problems that the first six airports had right and then they develop a new one and also they don't even find the problems that the previous one had. Like they don't even care about them. So this one actually ignored things that I had left in that were a problem when we went to Vegas. >> Nothing was a problem sir. There was no problems. Not financial advice. Not a real problem. >> My entire bag realistically is designed to get me stopped at airports. Like if you just look at like what I've It's like I have >> Lucas is such a silly conglomeration of like items like a million telescopic like attachments that just all have to look like basically like >> it all must look like a like weapons basically. >> Yeah. Like well I I have like 600 feet

44:06 of wires and they're not like normal wires. It's not like this is a charger. It's just like spools, wires. Yeah. And you have like the light stands, you have the lights, you the camera, the carbon fiber tripod. Nobody knows what that is. Mics, all of this. Then you have like insulin syringes. And like >> you didn't get stopped for any of that though. >> No. And they don't care. They don't care about any of this. >> What did the house It's like house rules. It's like TSA at like different locations has like it's like you're playing beer pong and like someone's losing the game and all of a sudden they're like, "No, there's this wacky house rule, man." >> Yes. >> So, do you want to tell us what the house rule was? The house the house rule for this one was I got pulled over for a safety razor that I had which is like one of those metal razors that has like a disposable blade in it. >> Uh and they were like yeah so you're

44:51 going to need to throw this away. Uh and I was like well can't we just take the blade out? Like you screw the bottom off and then you the blade just drops out. And then she was like, "No, you're gonna have to go and I'm gonna have to give you this and then you can go and you can take the blade out outside of security and then you can go all the way back through security." I'm like, "Well, couldn't I just not go through?" Like, I'm making more. >> He's just passed through security. You have to And she goes, I kid you not, she goes, >> I'll explain what happens once he's out. It's like, so you have to commit. you have to commit to this whole goofy situation and then only once you're far enough in that you can't get out then she can explain. And then she goes like this is all because someone once cut their finger on a razor. It's like Lucas

45:37 is like can I just throw away the razors and keep the like holder because the holder is like the expensive part. The whole point of like buying one of those things >> is that you have an expensive holder for like four cent blades, right? That's the whole >> that's the whole point. and she's like, "I can't let you do that because if you cut your finger, you'll get sued." And so it's just we've come to the conclusion like, "If you cut your finger, you'll sue me." And it's like, >> lady, like I'm I'm at this point going to sue you just >> because I hate you. And it was also >> and this is all like one of those things that like happens at the airport and Lucas was at the airport totally coincidentally because I was at the airport because my flight was at like 2:30 and Lucas thought his flight was at like 10:30, just like eight hours later. And I was like, "Do you really want to come with me?" And he's like, "Dude, we

46:22 might as well. Like, let's just chat in the lounge or something." And I was like, "Okay." Then Lucas gets to the airport and it's just it's one of those things where like you just miraculously get saved. And he just finds out my flight was at like 1:30. So, you're cutting it pretty close at this point. >> Yes. >> I think you got there with like five You had like five 10 minutes to spare, maybe. >> No, I had an enormous amount of time because my flight kept getting delayed and I was just standing there in line for like 40 minutes. Like I totally could have gone back and done the whole thing, but like it is >> it's just a black box. You don't know, >> right? And you're like >> like how long is the security line gonna be? How long is like waiting for the plane? >> And and no, and the other thing is you have to understand you're re-rolling the security check, right? So every single time check. >> Yes, I know there's about an 80% chance

47:08 cuz I did this when I went to Vegas. They got me with like I had like a cream of like face moisturizer and they were like this is too much >> moisturizer. your face might be too >> like it could be a bomb, right? And so I go and I'm like, "Well, can I just like pour it out?" And she's like, "Well, no, because like what you could have done is this could all be a liquid bomb and when you put it in our garbage can, it could be a timed bomb and then when you leave it could go off and you could get us." And I was like, "Well, that like you understand that's unlikely, right?" And she was like, "I think it's very silly, but this is the rule and there's cameras. Dude, tort law is just ruining every country, man. It's just like >> the entire civilization of the world

47:53 versus like a couple scrappy lawyers. Who would win? >> No, this is also for the record why everything that you do, you our dear viewer. Yes. >> That you do with medicine in the US is expensive and slow and bad. And >> so you want contacts, right? You have to go and you have to get a prescription. In no other country do you have to get a prescription for glasses or contact lenses. Like you just buy them. >> Correct. >> That's it. And it's >> and if even it's even sillier than that. Like in Asia, you walk in, you sit your chin down on the [ __ ] machine, they have this little thing that comes out and it zooms in and it focuses on your retina. You click a button, it goes beep, and then it's like, "Okay, here's your prescription." Y literally like seven seconds. Like actual seven seconds. And then they say, "Okay, here's your contacts. Also, the contacts

48:38 cost like one quarter whatever they cost here. They're the literal same contacts. Yes. So, nobody really knows what's going on there. But, uh >> Well, that's probably the lawyers are like getting the lawyers, the doctors are getting kickback from the contact company to like recommend the contact company and so the contact company has to make the >> contact. Okay. When I said literal same, I should have clarified. It's the same parent company, but they it's a different like Coopervision makes contact. >> Those are the ones I use. >> Yes. Coopervision makes contacts for like every they make Costco contacts. >> Yeah. >> And similar similar with all the other Kirkland branded products. They're actually just the best. Like if you their point on like the value optimization curve, they somehow like break. >> When do we get sponsored by Costco? Just like huge Costco shills, dude.

49:23 >> Just massive Costco shills. Just like disgusting. Disgusting. Uh we could do like one of like uh buy your contacts with Zcash at Costco for private contact. >> They are just so good. But you have uh Okay, so you have the cost [ __ ] you have the contact thing. Uh you have to go get the prescription which is like you know now you have to take multiple days out of your life like you work a job presumably or maybe you don't. I don't know but you have stuff that you're doing. >> I feel like our viewers are like on both sides. the right and left >> really not in the middle. None of our viewers are in the middle of the bell curve. >> Whatever you have things that you want to do with your time. So the idea that you are going to go and be >> you either have like a 10-hour map game

50:08 or you have a job. But I'm sure you have one or the other. Like 100% of you have one or the other, man. >> And now they have to go and go sit and get their uh they have to get their eyes refracted for like 90 minutes, right? because we're like we have to really really get in there and do a really detailed check for all of this stuff. And also hospitals in the US, it's not this casual like I'm going to walk. It's like you have to park >> at in this parking ramp and then you have to go and you walk through and it's like you have to go to elevator >> first you have to check in sir because we need your patient details and then it's like the system is broken and then you have to find you have to find the check-in right which is like a mile and a half away from wherever the parking ramp is. So, it's just this like massive ordeal to go in and >> the labyrinth of American healthcare,

50:53 man. >> Yes. And just check on your eyes, right? And this is why we don't go to the doctor, man. It's just so inconvenient. We ran the numbers on how much time we would save by not going to the doctor versus how much healthier this would make us, which would extend our lifespans. We were just like, >> I don't know, man. >> Well, and every one of these visits also costs just like hundreds of dollars. And so you have to go through this and then you have to get the prescription and then you go in and you get the contacts. Right? The reason that all of this takes so long is because in America if you get contacts and then you put them in your eyes and you [ __ ] it up and you stab your eye with your finger because you're absolute [ __ ] and you're blind now you can sue the doctor. You can actually sue >> which is just insane. Like you should just not be able to sue the doctor. It's

51:38 not like there's this whole system created on the premise of like morally we agree that you should be able to sue the doctor and it's like maybe you shouldn't be able to sue the doctor, >> right? Like in many cases it is just your fault objectively. >> It's also just any like yellow wet surface sign you've ever seen. Like that's like easily probably a10 billion dollar industry. Yes. That just exists because like one guy somewhere with like an obviously wet floor and he slipped and hurt himself because he's an idiot and then he sued that company for a bajillion dollars and now no one can have like a floor that >> it's like if you ever have moisture that condenses on the floor of your property, >> it's over for you, right? Like you are now liable for literally every injury like for the next two weeks. Like if anyone trips, falls, breaks anything. If someone sneezes, it like knocks over a

52:24 cart, there's like some plate that shatters, someone steps on, like you're screwed. It's >> a total shutdown on American tort law. Man, >> this is also why one of my properties had this like uh you know those playground things where it's like you got the swings, you got the slide, all the monkey bars, stuff like that. had one of these in the back of it and uh it was there when I bought the house and I just left it there and I was like, "Well, this is like uh I guess like why take it down? Maybe it increases the property value somehow." Uh but then I noticed like all of the neighbor kids just like started playing on it and uh I was like just seeing like liability suits coming at me like his Spidey sense started like you were feeling something in your peripheral vision back there.

53:11 >> Yeah. And uh so eventually I go out and I see that one of like the uh the stairs going up to the little fort thing had cracked and I'm like that's it. Like and I just burned the whole thing down. Like I just took a sawzaw out and I [ __ ] chopped the whole thing up and I there was like a rock pile at the bottom of it and I went and I just piled all the lumber up. Just like poured gasoline on. Actually, I still have uh I burned all the hair off of this arm because I was a little just always has like the most interesting injuries, man. You like I just run into him and like his foot is just taped up and it's like don't ask about it. Like a wildlife thing. I thought I thought that I had like completely because I when I lit the

53:57 gasoline I instantly smelled a bunch of burning hair and I was like, "Oh [ __ ] did I get my eyebrows again?" Like that's really going to nerf the podcast. >> Yeah. But uh we should go back to Vegas. What else do we do? We we also went out. We went out what the kids call clubbing nowadays, which is mostly just huge scam. Lucas is like terminally blackpilled cuz Lucas is like slightly above where like he got the tail end of like >> good good gender relations and social situations >> like actual club outings in America >> where people would actually dance and zoomers are going to be really confused because >> what do you mean like a club we dance we dance at the club and it's like no like what all these people do yes it's exactly that it's like the NPC animation

54:43 from like any like any party game. It It kind of looks like uh like we party animations or something. >> Um and we went with these like very famous looks Maxer model >> like unironic like Instagram professional models >> like two to five million followers have walked for like >> like and not walked for like crappy brands like walked for like all the time. >> And these are not these are by the way these are not women models. These are male. >> Yeah. These are male models models. So, it's like us. >> We're there at the party where everyone's like, "Oh, are you homosexual, by the way?" Yeah. >> And um it's super funny. We just like we walk in with these guys and there's this thing that's happening. It's like everyone's trying to gauge the social

55:28 coolness of everybody else at these parties because you immediately meet a bunch of new people. And like I think for us, we just like meeting interesting people and we don't care too much about like who is like technically like quote unquote cool at the thing. Uh, but >> this also means that like I will >> I will segue. Lucas is like the worst networker ever because it's like literal just like unironic like tens of billionaires walking around uh like famous poker players like top three poker players in the world walking around like all these famous people and like Lucas is like the best way for me to get my value out of this situation is for me to like chipmunk my cheeks with like the sushi man. I'm not going to say I thought it was the best way. Uh and >> it was definely what you were inclined

56:13 towards. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, we had enough important people standing by the food table that I was like, I don't really. >> So, anyway, and nobody else was eating the food, so someone's got to >> It was also so funny because like people kept gravitating towards us because like a couple really important people gravitated towards us at the beginning. >> So, everyone else was like, "Oh, like these guys didn't have to walk towards those people. I would have walked towards that guy if it was me." But like the thing is we're just like we just don't care that much. So we just like went over to the food table at first cuz we were hungry and then like uh a couple of the really important people walked over. It's just these very funny status games. But basically like these models are trying to figure out like how cool are these guys? And like we're very cool in some ways but like we're very not cool in other ways. And so

56:59 >> so they kept they kept being like we would say something and they'd be like oh my god like they're the best. And then you go one sentence beyond that and they're like, "Oh my god, they're the biggest loser." And it just keeps like or like someone randomly recognizes us and it's like, "Oh my god, it's you guys." And their models are like, "Wait, this guy recognizes the, "Oh my god, what the fuck?" And then it's like someone walks by and we just don't know them. And they're like, "Wait, how do they not know this person?" >> Yeah. >> Um, and so it's like these very different, it was a very anthropologically interesting situation. The other thing that was really funny at the club is like, so there's like the one there's the tallest model and he keeps having these random girls come up to him. Yeah. And they're like, >> "Yeah, like, oh my god, like you're so beautiful. Can I get a picture?" And then

57:44 >> she like takes the picture, but she doesn't attempt to like get his number. He doesn't attempt to like there's And then she just runs away. Like she just keeps getting the picture and then running away. But the the problem is like so we're this is going to sound super bad but like we're in the like gig of like the super VIP like just the stupid like the VIP times three VIP where like there's like the most artificial like gender enforcement ratio of all time. It was like 30 women to like seven men or something ridiculous. It was like really bad. Well, and they also have these guys that are like shuttling the women. Like if they ever notice that the ratio starts approaching 5050, they shuffle.

58:30 >> It's like a human. It's kind of like how an air conditioner works but like humans. And so they're shuffling the women around. >> Um and we're just standing there and like >> basically none of the women attempt to talk to us. Uh, and none of like the models did, but it was like >> the thing is the models like shut them down so hard like just so hard uh that like they stopped trying like >> they did there were some that like said stuff but it was like that thing where it's a girl who's there to entertain people and so like when she says stuff it's like oh my god I like your eyebrows and you're just like this is really stupid. It's the type of conversation where this is like a I this is why we've we've said this a bunch of times, but

59:15 like a girl who really knows how to carry a conversation can easily bat like a point or a point and a half above like what she should. Uh and like women, you should do this. Um but it was very interesting because basically uh they they say something that like is not really respondable to. >> Yes. >> But then like they wait for you to say something back. So they'll go like, "I love your shirt. It looks so good on you." It's like, "Thanks." And then they just look at you expectantly. Um, and maybe we just don't know the right like voice lines for this interaction. >> Happened a lot at the enhanced games where there would be some girl that would be like, "Oh my god, you're handsome." And it would be like, "Thank you." And then just keep walking. Yeah.

1:00:02 It's just like and maybe we don't understand the like maybe it's like we've dropped into like a foreign country >> supposed to say like oh my god you're so [ __ ] sexy too but I'm just like I don't even like look like I don't care. It doesn't matter. Like if you're the type of person that >> maybe it's an us problem. Maybe we're the problem. >> Yeah. Like I'm definitely just like I don't >> Yeah. >> Like I've I've phased out of this. We're there with these models and basically like every once in a while they're doing the hand thing where they're like doing the NPC thing and they're also >> like all the like 2014 looks maxer things like they're scrunching their eyebrows really hard >> like a 100% hunter gathering with the hunter eyes like >> it's just mewing like just like just

1:00:48 total mew like insane levels of mewing the whole time and just like like really propping back the shoulders. I should I should do the I should do the >> crazy posture check >> this dude. Imagine here. Look look look at the >> It's just like that all the time. Yeah. It's like somehow they've managed to do it like even more. But it just looks normal because they do it like that all the time. >> This is the look right here. Actually, this is what my >> and then and then do the do the like little turn that they do. They go like this kind of and then like every once in a while it's like on a 12 second loop they do the hand thing where they're like >> just like a programmatic animation. It's unironically like on like a 25sec loop or something. >> And then also part of the programmatic animation is that they will pop out a phone and take a Snapchat and it's like

1:01:33 it's like we every >> Snapchat I've never I'm like >> they all the >> somehow Snapchat is still live in like a totally parallel universe to the one I live in. >> Yes. >> Everyone always uses Snapchat at these shows to go and be like, "Yeah, this is >> I've never understood Snapchat, man. I just feel like Snap the problem with Snapchat is it just feels like a dog [ __ ] app. Like it genuinely feels like a vibecoded app back before we had vibe coding. >> Yes. Actually, >> it has a >> The whole news section feels like it's all generated by AI. >> Yeah. The the whole design feels like Sketchers, like the people who make the Sketchers brand of footwear. >> It's actually like really surprisingly accurate. Like a really weird comparison, but somehow makes total

1:02:18 sense. And uh but these models were great. Apparently these models, we won't say who they are so that we can say like more of the conversation, but these are like like I think one of them is like one of the top like two models in in like all of Europe basically. And uh apparently these guys are like they figured out we're like somehow like politically and technology connected. And so they're like >> the problem is if they come up to you and they ask you like so what do you do? and you give them like a sort of vague answer, it's just over, right? Like there's no there's no capability to infer what you might be. Especially like we are like weird things. >> Yeah. >> Right. So >> like >> who knows how do I >> know like they know like money guy, they

1:03:05 know like escort, they know like model, and they know like pimp >> live streamer like entertainer, right? If you don't give them one of these categories, then I think they're just kind of cooked, man. Yeah, it was very strange and I think um it was it was very interesting. But apparently they have heard of like not just like Nick Fentes, which I kind of expected them to like know about these things and ask us, but like all of a sudden they go like so what do you think of Curtis Yarvin? And I'm like what? Like I think I think Europeans cuz like Curtis Jarvin whatever you think about Curtis Jarvin he says a lot of words and whatever you think about Europeans when they see a lot of words they're like I have to read that like they're very impressed by like word

1:03:50 density and Curtis is one of the word dense guys and uh yeah it was very they go like what do you think about Curtis Yarvin and like like they've read Curtis Jarvin the way that like a suburban mom has read the New York Times. which is like very interesting. Yes. Like they've read enough Curtis Jarvin to have like a conversation about it >> at dinner. >> Like uh like one of those like uh five things you need to know for your dinner conversation magazines that like women read. >> But it's really bizarre also because like they will also be scared of a lot of political beliefs that are less extreme than Curtis Jarvin. And it's almost like you realize they haven't actually understood what Curtis means. They have no idea.

1:04:35 >> Like they've read the words, but they haven't like read the words. >> It's like they they like the way that the words sound, but the actual meaning of the words is just >> Yeah, it was super funny. It's it's the thing with liberal women. And then the other thing is like I think they're my new we asked uh we've asked a bunch of like and we'll probably have an episode either before this or after this uh with Alex Rakuzo, CEO of Citizen X, one of our faithful sponsors. Um, and we like asked him and we asked Christian as well. What's up with like Europe, man? Do we need to pause here? >> No, it's good. >> Okay. Just disassembling the microphone, halfway. Um, >> imagine the sound that they're all getting. >> This is going to be like reverse ASMR

1:05:20 for the audience. It's like scratching on a chalkboard ASMR, >> but torturing a cat. >> Yeah, we do. Maybe we should do that so they don't get used to like too high a level of production value. This is This is your mandated podcast low production break. This is the seven cats that we've adopted specifically to put in a bag and twirl around our heads while they scream. >> Yes. >> This is the part of the podcast so you don't get used to a high production value like uh and it's like an unskippable >> the production nerf. Yeah. >> Yeah. But dude, oh dude, the enhanced games. Uh, we we Okay, we haven't like talked at all about the enhanced games, but before we do, I want to talk about our beloved sponsored Poly Market and

1:06:06 the hilarious thing that they did with the enhanced games in general. >> So funny. >> Poly Market. So like they start offering like uh they start off with really good promotions for the thing by saying like uh yeah, like the steroid Olympics and then they post this picture of the swimmer who's just like juiced out of his mind like greatest picture in the universe. and he has these goofy goggles on, right? And uh so they post this and it gets like 28 million views or some like just absurd. Uh and so we're like, "Yeah, that's good." Like Poly Market's helping out our boys here. Everyone's playing nice. It's like a little bit of cross. >> Friends have started to be friends. Yeah. >> And then uh >> and then and then >> uh they take a very sharp deviation from

1:06:52 the interests of the enhanced games. We're really pushing on the like all PR is good PR thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Really hard. >> So, it started off with uh very nice stuff and then as more and more of the races begin to be won by people who are not on any >> which we'll also get into like the technical because I think what happened is like people just came in with these very unrealistic expectations. >> But explain the poly market thing. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, no, Poly Market uh because all of the people who started winning the races were not on any substances of any sort. Poly Market was like natural athlete once again dominates roided out losers at the Enhanced Games and they just keep going like turbo viral and it

1:07:39 was like it's really funny like we all love the Poly Market uh Twitter account. they're great at what they do and all that, but uh it did also give a bunch of people brain damage because now there's there's like a meaningful faction of people out there that are like, well, from this I can say safely that steroids don't work. Like steroids are actually bad for athletic performance. It's like, have you thought about this for two? But basically to get into the technical side of things, like it's it's very hard if you're doing a new sports thing that many sports people are not going to like. It's very hard to get like tier one competitors who are like really and and Christian has said this by the way. Like this is not like >> this is not like us coping. >> This is not like us coping for them. This is not like like Christian's going to call us and be like why did you say our athletes are like probably not like the top of the top in the world. And

1:08:25 it's like Christian has just gone and said like I I feel like many people actually don't read his tweets. Um >> correct. But anyways, the point is like if like the genetic difference is very large and the steroids help, but the other thing is like the arena's in Vegas and it's like 90 degrees out. It's super hot. There's like EDM music playing during the events, it's their first time, they're nervous. >> Uh the craziest thing is, >> okay, so if you're snatching hundreds of pounds up above your head, you're trying to clean it up or something like that. There's like a one or two inch window where you can actually balance it. And if you go behind that, you start tipping over backwards. In front of that, you start tipping over forwards, right? Uh this is like on a raised stadium in a ra

1:09:10 on a raised platform. There's actually like a substantial amount of wind. Like it's blowing people's hats around and stuff. And so you can see like the competitors getting buffeted by wind as they go up there. And like they were all kind of saying after >> the pool is also like a non-standard Olympic. Like there was just a few things that were off. But basically like what is actually very impressive and what most of the marketing and stuff should have centered around is like you have this 35-year-old woman who at 25 was like a worldle competitor and set her personal best at 25 and 10 years later with only like a few weeks of training. She breaks her personal weeks or something. >> It was like five weeks of training and like they're not quite sure how what is the best way to do the steroids yet because the other thing on steroids is like there's no like scientific data on

1:09:56 steroids. there's just like the wisdom and uh if you're like an athlete that's trying to use steroids whether it's like allowed or not allowed in the competition because there's no data on it basically you just have to like get the right trainer you have to find the secret guy who can't talk about how he's the guy >> and so there's like this whole like secret brotherhood >> and also there's not really a great way to uh >> there's not a review system there's not like a rate my professor for like steroid athlete guy >> and there's no there's no like safety here like that's the product of, you know, if there's data, you can have some reasonable confidence in your safety interval here, the safety envelope. If it's just you, it's like you're either alive or you're dead, right? Like there's it's a binary state function.

1:10:41 >> What's also super funny is like Usain Bolt, I think after posted like, "Is that all you got?" Which is super funny because like statistically and this is like kind of some nerd stuff but like if you look at the world record attempts like any person who was within like 20 milliseconds of the world record and like the world record for the 100 meter dash is like like this is measured in like two milliseconds 3 milliseconds difference but anyone who's like within 20 milliseconds has at one point or another got and got for doping. like they've been caught except Usain Bolt. So like you either have to believe that this guy is like far and away just like totally like enhanced by >> multiple sigma genetic anomaly

1:11:27 >> or he just has like a secret doping guy who knows like the secret doping amount and so he posts like is that all you got? And then like a day later I it's just so good. I don't know if you saw this, but Christian Angmire is like, >> "Yep, >> the prize for beating the hundred dash world record now is 10 times the prize for any other world record." >> Yes. So, he's offering $10 million for anyone who beats Usain Bolt's record. >> And it's very funny. Like, >> it's also so funny. I love Christian's Twitter really deserves like genuinely so much attention because like there is no other billionaire doing Twitter like him. Like, not even Elon Musk. Like this guy will actually reply to like every single person who like if you right now

1:12:13 close like minimize this podcast and open Christian's Twitter and go like I loved your appearance on the plausibly deniable >> you should actually do that. You should 100% do that. All of you should >> you will literally go like thanks so much. I love their energy man. And like you can tell it's like a human like Christian response because he has this like European way of speaking like >> AI AI was trained on American data sets. It can't yet >> he was trained on like American Reddit and this guy's like clearly just not doing American Reddit. >> He can't imitate European hasn't learned the skills. >> And even sometimes when he's snarky it's like a different type of snark that's like more refined and like more giga chat. >> It's also like there's the American uh when you're making a joke in America it's like you're going to overinflate the fish, right? Yes. The joke in Europe

1:12:58 is like the fish is cartoonishly small. >> Yes. >> But it's so funny because like very small like 10 follower accounts that like have the default Twitter profile picture will respond to him and he will like straight up just write like 10 paragraphs. >> Some guy was like, "We're not going to be seeing the enhanced games again next year, are we?" And he responds saying like, >> "DM me, man. I'll shoot you a ticket for the enhanced games next year. I hope to see you there. Also, if you'd like to place a wager on whether or not it will make the ring, name your bet amount. And I'm in. I have infinite size. >> And so, it's super funny cuz it's like you can tell this is like his very polite European way of saying like, you're totally out of your depth here,

1:13:43 man. But like, it's so polite. He's and he's also like genuinely just such a great guy. Like, unironically, one of the most positive person like people I've ever met. He's such a great guy that he's like, "I will personally email you tickets to the enhanced games next year." >> Yes. >> So, uh yeah, just like very uh >> but also he's so polite that the other person didn't even realize that he's like being assaulted. Like the guy the guy that he was responding to didn't realize that this guy was basically like lining up like he has like an RPG on his shoulder and he's like shooting a missile at him. He's like, I'm owning you so hard that the next games will happen that I will personally invite you. And also, there's an infinite size wager on the other side of this. >> This is also like if if you ever achieve

1:14:29 billionaire status, I think you just have to do this. It's like every time someone every time someone has like a stupid opinion, you just have to say like, I will bet you literally any amount of money that you're wrong. >> Here's your entire home equity on my side of the bet. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's >> because it also just instantly makes people stop because I've done this a lot and like even with like low five figure sums of money, people generally are like they will back out. This is like the whole premise for our sponsor Poly Market. >> Yes, this is like the whole thing for Poly Market that's so good is you can say and I think there's people building on top of Poly Market and creating like really cool products where like if someone in a group chat says something really stupid, you can just send them the link. send a link and like most of the poly market things are this is like kind of boring but like there is a

1:15:14 market that is like market made which gives you better execution basically but like I think some of these people are trying to make it like a purely PvP. >> Yeah. You can just do like a a peer-to-peer like okay I lock my side you like your side >> like $10 of mine versus $10 of yours and like there's no middlemanning or anything which is really cool. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um but no it was it was a very interesting event. They did beat a world record. They beat the uh 200 100 meters freestyle. >> It was the 100 meter men's freestyle >> and it was like some totally like unknown athlete who's like not in the top. This is the other thing that like everyone is like oh they didn't demolish every single world record and it's like >> it's kind of a lottery man >> it's kind of a lottery first like they've only done one and they did a very limited amount of world records.

1:15:59 Um, and then what I think is very interesting and I really wish I hope they do some content around this is like I would love to see because what drives people to the watch the Olympics like it's not actually that compelling to a human like oh they lifted two pounds more or they were one millisecond faster. It's like that's interesting but like to a very small group of and we probably have an outsized amount of that demographic that watches our podcast. be like, "No, I super care about two more pounds, man." And we're going to But like most people are like, "Oh, the funny raccoon hair girl ice skater." Or like, "Oh, the like super evil looking skier girl who was like a Chinese test tube baby." >> Yes. >> Like it's mostly humans. This is the

1:16:44 thing about humans. Like >> we think we like objective things. No, we like stories. Like in many ways we were still cavemen gathered around a fireplace telling stories and even like we're like the podcasters explaining how people like stories. It's like and everyone listening to the it's like imagine the audience listening to a podcast being like are they really going to explain to me that I like podcasts? Like they're gonna Yeah. >> They're like 35 minutes into the podcast and the podcasters start explaining why you like the thing that you're doing right now. >> Yeah. No, it was just it was very um but like it was all very scientific which I think is good but very few people are like ready to have that scientifically rigorous level of a conversation. >> It was German. This is the problem. It was so German.

1:17:29 >> This is the problem with Germany as a whole is like they are amazing at many things. However, they don't appear to be the ones that enjoy telling the stories that much. Right. >> Yeah. They're not the story guys and they're like the trains are two kilometers per hour faster. >> Yes. And realistically, like we should have just like a lot of the PR at the beginning uh should have been based on like who the athletes are, what they're doing, because if you know that you're having an athlete that is 35 years old trying to break their record that they set at 25, you nobody really cares if they don't break the world record, right? Like that was the problem is from the get-go everything was set up so that everyone was expecting there to be like 100 billion of these world record breaks and they that that like obfiscated the fact that a lot of these people are like maybe like silver winners 10 years out

1:18:16 of their prime that are trying to just beat their personal best which that is very impressive to do especially given because again the stadium conditions were very non-standard. This is like this is something that I have not seen that much discussion over but it is definitely like a very relevant factor is you have this stadium that like there are athletic uh standards when you have like a swim heat going on. >> And the thing is when when like the stakes are millions of dollars and like your entire economic life is figured out and like the the difference in measure is like one pound more or like two inches higher of a jump. It's like all of these athletes become like quasi religious about the standardization Yes. of things. >> Yes. And it it's not like a minor change that we're doing either here. Like in in swim meets when people go and they get

1:19:02 up on the stands, they're ready to jump, everyone shuts the [ __ ] up. >> Like you just shut you can you can cheer, they turn the music off. Uh you don't have people walking around. You don't have people like talk like singing. It's like the pool is non-standard >> and you're playing you're playing rap music and also there's like the sun obviously which is like >> it's I think the biggest thing is just like the sun 90 degrees and super dry and most of these people probably just train indoors all the time because that's like the perfect way to like have the most controlled climate is indoors. >> There's no weightlifting meets outdoors, man. Like that's just such an absurd. >> But no, we had a very fun time. We did also I think Vegas is having a really tough time. >> There's also strobe lights. Yeah, I think that's this is something that was very I was imagining like I'm looking at

1:19:48 like the line of the strobe lights and I'm like they're actually like strobing the swimmers like this. They're like trying to go underwater and they have these goggles on and everything's splashing and [ __ ] now. You're just zap. >> I will say, dude, I think they're going to make a billion dollars on the merch. Uh >> dude, I think just because of what we were saying earlier, >> it's such a good raw idea. Like there's a few there's a few exec execution issues, but like overall it's like between the merch, the teleahalth stuff, >> dude. It's just enhanced. It's like technology sex. Like that's what enhanced says to me as a brand. It's like some guy who's like gigabuff like with backlighting saying into the camera like technology sex. The brand is so it's just like a more

1:20:33 Equinox than Equinox brand. It's truly an amazing >> I don't know. No one knows how to say it. >> Um, >> it's one of those words too where I guarantee if you look up the pronunciation, it's going to say that either is valid. Like there's someone like watching and like getting really heated like no like one of those two is correct about the and then they're going to look it up and it's just going to be like it's all right. Like anything is acceptable. We don't have any real pronunciations anymore. or we used to in America, but then it was like we determined that some groups always pronounce some words wrong and it became racist to ever correct anyone's pronunciation of words. >> I I also just think it's like we ran out of words to call things and every company needs like a new word to call their thing. Yeah. >> And so like you're just out of like less than eight characters.

1:21:19 Do you remember Do you remember the irregardless thing where like irregardless was something that when I was growing up if you ever said irregardless the teacher >> the teacher would come over and like [ __ ] like whack you like you'd get slapped in the head. >> Well, I think that's because of like regardless is already like an >> Yes. It means >> without regard. >> Regardless. >> And then you're saying like without without regard basically >> it's just wrong. Like regardless is the correct term. Ireardless is like people use regardless and irregardless interchangeably which can't work because irregardless is irre the prefix is supposed to mean not regardless. >> Exactly. So it's just uh >> it's just like it's the same thing when people would say like

1:22:04 >> ontologically. It's like ontologically. It's like when people say like ontologically and it's like >> you don't know what that means. >> I don't know what that means. I also want to say I literally do just use ontologically to mean very >> like >> and you heard it from a professional like he is a professional talker like >> we're professional talk next time someone asks us we should do we should be like >> professional talker >> and then like stop talking like >> they pay me per word that I say that is the explanation for why you stop talking like I think like you don't think you can afford >> you don't look like you can afford me to say much more

1:22:49 >> but no we met so many the the other thing that I'm very bullish on it is like it was just the most like interesting meeting of people uh and you have like VCs that control like billions of dollars who aren't even in the VIP suites like like they're in the main area >> breakdown of the VIP suite versus the grandstand was very interesting yeah >> it was literally just Like did you camp out or did you walk in through the right entrance and you were like looking cool? Like I got a sweet pass and I think it's literally just like I walked up and I looked important enough to where like the employees that were at the stand were like really scared of not giving me the sweet pass. Basically they were like it never

1:23:34 occurred to me to even try that. >> Yeah. I I didn't even ask for it. I just like said and they were like here's your pass sir and it's like awesome and then it's like oh this friend of yours is with you do they have a pass and it's like I don't know look them up and they're like uh I don't know but I don't want to offend you sir so like uh it's it's that thing that like happens to every employee that gates one of these events where uh >> yeah you have to make the choice of like do I want to be a stickler about the rules and risk offending ing the guy that like maybe late signed up to this, but the owner will obviously like blame me because he doesn't want to like the guy who's running the event doesn't want to be like, "Oh, I forgot to add you to the list." So,

1:24:20 >> it's such a funny position. >> It's such a funny position where like the employee is there and they feel very nervous because they're very acutely aware that like there is a 10% chance that this person is actually really important. there's a 90% chance they're like frauding it, but there is like a very significant chance that they aren't fraud. >> There was a period where I was a bouncer in college. Uh, and like I would always have to do this. And basically what everyone does is they realize like, okay, is the guy that's is the guy that's managing things right now uh is he going to yell at me or is he not a yeller? Right? And if he's a yeller, you're just like, "Yeah, man. The rules >> got these rules. I noticed that you don't have, you know, you can't come in. Sorry. And then if he's not a yeller, you're like, "Whatever, dude. Just you

1:25:06 seem fine." >> Yeah. But no, there was like >> So what what I'm saying is this tells us that nobody there is a yeller. Christian Angermire is not a yeller. >> The other thing is like uh the streamers have so much staff. These people might unironically be spending like half of the money that comes in. It's so funny to look at like everyone who has a similar level of production of us has a literal like 15 person media team and then it's like we have like three AI girlfriends and like a camera and some lights like >> dude. So these people walk around and there's like five cameramen doing like the spider walk like the thing where they're like moving sideways like exerting a ton of like like doing a squat every single step. Like these guys have to have like huge legs, just like

1:25:53 amazing leg muscles. And they walk around and like there's like maybe there'll be like four streamers walking together and it's like each of them needs their own sound guy and their own camera guy and their own assistant that like hands them a water and so it's like for four people it's like you now have a 20 person live team scuttling around behind them. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And they have the they have the DJI gimbals too. And the other really funny thing with all of normal camera form factors that have these lenses, but then they're just mounting it to like this gyroscope stick and like putting all lights and [ __ ] on it. >> And then it's also funny, there's like some pieces of equipment that are like

1:26:38 tens to maybe like a hundred,000 for this piece. And then there's like the DJI mic that's just like it's the best. They figured out how to make the best microphone and it just costs like 20 bucks. That's just the best microphone and it's the one everyone uses. >> Well, I will say their most expensive one is like 300 something, >> but it it it is like cartoonish. And also that, you know, the gimbals are DJI, too. DJI is one of those companies that is just genuinely like when people are like, I'm scared of China. I'm usually like, okay, shut up, dude. But if they're like, I'm scared of China because of DJI, I'm like, that's super fair. cuz they started off making drones and uh >> DJI. Another like really bad name. Like really bad name. >> Yeah. Like anytime you're just like Yeah. Like initials.

1:27:23 >> Just three letters, bro. >> Yeah. >> By DJI. DJ Industries. Djon Mustard Industries. Like it's just not the greatest. >> DJI if you need marketing help. >> Wouldn't it be so funny if we like start like filming the episode on like a drone that just like circles around us? >> I love DJI as a company. I'm just scared of them because they have Okay, they started off making drones and these drones were like things that would carry like a GoPro on them. >> And uh eventually they were like, you know, we can just make our own. So they acquired Hasselblad, right? Like they buy out like the big daddy like super lens company and then they make their own camera and then they're like, well the camera needs to like look around. So they develop like the gyroscopic stabilization and then eventually they start adding like lidar and now they

1:28:08 make like agricultural and like surveying drones. And then eventually they were like, "Okay, well we have so good at what they do." >> And then they were like, "Okay, well we accidentally developed we have enough comput now we can do this AI thing." And then they were like, "Okay." And it just kept like expanding and they tied together everything. >> They were actually just so good. And this is like my take when I go like China is actually more capitalist is like in China it's basically more capitalist in the US with the one like and this is like a very big thing is like you just can't return money to shareholders ever. Like if your stock is too good, she just takes you aside and he's like, "Listen, buddy." Like, ah man, >> not the best. >> Yeah. But then like besides that, you're allowed to like work your workers to the bone. You're allowed to fire anybody for any reason ever. Like besides returning

1:28:54 too much money to shareholders, you're allowed to do anything else. Uh yeah. So when people say like socialism with Chinese characteristics, they just mean capitalism, but you can't return money to shareholders. Like all they mean is capitalism, but like instead of a profit, you have to make everything cheaper. Well, okay. The other the other thing with DJI too is that they uh it's not just that they're like a great company in terms of making products or whatever, but they actually went and invented like a whole new vertical. Like, do you remember do you remember what it was like trying to capture audio for anything like 10 years ago? It's like you have to literally like you have to do some [ __ ] like this. You have to carry around microphones that are wired up to like this sound bag that has like this thing. And if you

1:29:39 don't know anything about sound, the way it works, like I didn't know a lot about this is like you're like, "Okay, I have to buy like a microphone which receives it. That makes sense. Okay, I have to buy a cable that wires the microphone to the computer or to the >> to the interface." >> To the interface. That makes sense. But then it's like you need these two box to trans these two boxes that like transform things. And like I'm looking at this I'm like this seems like a scam. Like don't you already have the sound from the microphone? And like Lucas obviously knows a lot more about this than me. He's like no dude like no you literally like can't like the microphone is useless without the other box. And it's like then why is the microphone its own thing? And it's like it just is bro. Like that's >> it. Okay. It's it's basically because

1:30:24 the microphone is like there's a little membrane and when you talk you vibrate the membrane and the membrane has a coil on it that like goes and uh gets closer and farther away from a magnet that sends signals down the cord, right? But now you have an analog signal because this is creating like a sinosoidal. >> Well, this is where I would think there would be some way of like >> software converting this into sound in your computer, but no, it like needs to be a box. >> No, it requires a specific digital analog converter chip. And so you have the separate box. They just don't put them in computers usually. Yeah. Like they also, this is also why like the iPhone needs like the dongle now when it comes from the USBC out because they don't have the DA chip in side of the phone. So that that dongle actually has

1:31:10 the chip in it. >> Yeah. >> That does it when you need to plug your headphones into it. But no, Vegas was uh very good time. Uh we did like zero. I don't think anyone gambled. I think it's like over for Vegas is a gambling town. >> Drink, man. >> I I just didn't even see that many people gambling either. >> Uh I it seems like Vegas has just become like a town for conferences where like you go there and like if you're married your wife is like >> I don't know like what's he doing in Vegas? >> What are you doing in Vegas? And it's like, dude, I don't even think there's like like the clubbing experience is just the pining thing that we explained where like everyone pin at each other and tries to look hot. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. And then there's like a couple old

1:31:56 people at the slots, but it's just slots. It was It's also very weird because everything is like there's a combination like mall, casino, restaurant, sprawl, and then it's like you go outside and like you can't just like walk to another segment because there's all these barricades. >> We did turn Vegas into a walkable city. We're like the only people to have ever walked Vegas. >> Well, I als No, I I did this before. You did this before the last time I came and I went to Arya. Uh our I don't even know how to pronounce >> I think it is Arya. Yeah. >> Yeah. But uh I walked from the airport to the Arya at >> which is like a 2-hour walk by the way at like 2:00 in the morning. Uh and you have to like the main thing is you have to go across a couple like eight lane roads. >> So the whole problem is that like Vegas is clearly designed for cars but then

1:32:41 what happens is it's like the airport thing where like they're like you can only take a ride share car >> from this from this spot. And so the other thing with Vegas is that like all the hotels or the places where you go for the events are exactly like an airport where they're all like, "No, you have to walk 20 minutes in that direction to get a ride share." And then all of the cars are like, "For a 10-minute ride, that's going to cost you $100." And like random taxi people will come up to you and be like, "Ah, you need a car. You're looking so handsome. I bet you made so much money, sir." Like obviously come up to you and you're like, "All right, like you have a car right there. I guess I'll ask you what price is and it's like a comically >> dude this happened so many times SA would like look at his thing and he

1:33:26 >> the thing is I'm just like a very like no [ __ ] person where like if I have to interact with somebody where it's like their job and they have to be polite to me for their job. I like to very quickly signal to them like let's just turn this into a thing where you name your price and I'm name prime price and we see like if someone's willing to bend the arm and like if no one is all right we're done. >> Yeah. So so what happens >> but mostly it seems like they do a little dance back and forth. >> Yeah. They're they're there to do the dance, but Sailor like looks at his phone. He's like, "Okay, it's like a $25 Uber." And the woman comes up. Oh, hello, beautiful. Like, would you like would you like a trip over to whatever the place you're going is? And he's like, "Listen, man. Like, if you can beat $25, I'm game." She's like, "No, it's not even that." $25 on my phone. I'm like, >> "If you can do 40 right now for this

1:34:12 many people that we have in the group, I guess I'll do it." and like there's just zero intent to like walk towards you in terms of price. And so I'm like I'm out, man. But yeah, it's like we we ended up walking home from the nightclub because it was just like, okay, you have to walk across this whole nightclub casino full of like >> raccoons, >> just like people that you don't want to be. We won't say anything mean, but like >> just like very drunk like gambling people and like people who are at nightclubs. It's the thing where it's so late at night and they got so done up that it's like they're now melting like all of these people. It's like they're hammered and they're melting, right? And they're just wandering like like it's just zombie town. And so I don't want to walk like 20 minutes like >> I'm like five minutes by car from where

1:34:58 I'm trying to get to, but I have to walk 20 minutes in the wrong direction across this like casino nightlife restaurant gambling place to get to the right place. uh for the ride share pickup and then my ride share has to take like this really weird route through the city. And so it's like it actually takes 30 more minutes than just walking. Yes. >> And then you walk and you realize that like the path they were telling you to walk on has all these weird like ways you have to go around because like there's a like it's literally just a 10 block walk. >> Yes. It's like a straight shot, but then there will be like a barricade where it's like you're like, "Wait, I >> There will be like a railing. >> Step over the railing and run across. >> And if you're not willing to like step over one railing and cross one like

1:35:43 jaywalk one road, >> it takes you three hours. >> It takes you three hours unironically. >> Yeah. But if you just >> And at one point, wait, we're walking back with the Europeans and like at one point we like cross like a comically small barrier and they all like look at each other. >> No, it wasn't even the barrier where we lost them. It was uh >> we lost them at the barrier for a bit, but the first barrier was really small and they were like like it was unironically like a barrier that was like like maybe like this. Am I >> It's a barrier for ants, right? >> It was like a like a one like a 5 inch thing so that a car doesn't like drive directly into a parking lot, but like instead goes through the entrance. Yes. And like they were like, "Ah, man. you're really like they were trying to like break out of the Matrix to walk over this and then uh we lost them at uh

1:36:31 I think we lost them like we're crossing a road and there's just like zero cars on the road. >> Yeah, it was it's the classic thing of uh how NPC are you? >> Yeah, Germans just do not believe in ever breaking any rule ever. So the red hand is there and so they're just like there's nothing I can do. But we like it's like there's zero cars for 10 miles of us and we just walk across uh and they're just like helplessly trapped behind the invisible wall of European tendencies. >> No, it was very uh it was quite bad, man. Uh I it was the other funny thing about the European model, guys, is like I think they actually do think it's e over for Europe. Like totally over like they

1:37:16 completely agree with us. maybe go even further than us. But like they're entirely unwilling to ever talk about this with anyone that doesn't like first signal that they're like like that doesn't like not only signal that they're okay with you saying this, but like actually says like like okay, but like what's your opinion? Like what's your real opinion? Like you have to like really like force out of them a real opinion. But then once you get the real opinion, their real opinion is like super politically incorrect. But then you ask them like, "Okay, what are you doing about it?" and they're like, "No, my whole plan is just to make infinite dollars and like insulate myself from society." It's just like, don't you think you could like >> But also, I've noticed that everyone who says my plan is to make infinite dollars and insulate myself from society, it's like, you look at what they're doing and it's very clearly not an attempt at

1:38:02 this. You know, it's like they've realized that this is just like it's a cope. Saying this whole thing is a cope. saying, "I'm going to make so much money that these problems go away." is like the soothing blanket that people have as they like tuck themselves in, ready to like uh evaporate into the past. >> Yeah. No, it was very uh it was quite bad. Um I I don't know. I mean, I like the guys, but it was very interesting speaking with them. The thing is the other the other thing that they did that was super funny was like every like 10 minutes they would look around and be like you guys are having fun, right? We're having fun. Uh and it it you realize that like that's kind of the emotion that everyone at these clubs has. They're all like we

1:38:48 are like if someone came up to them and answered honestly and said like no like this actually sucks. None of none of us are having fun. It's observable. Like I can look at you on video and I can see that you're not smiling right. I can see that everyone is standing in like weird uh gender segregated ways not smiling like this is not what having fun looks like. It would instantly like shatter their brains and they would be like [ __ ] dude. Ah >> because like their whole reason for being here is that they think this is what fun people do to have fun. >> Yes. >> And if you're willing to if you're willing to break that I think it's just instant preference cascade. The entire club just like the lights turn on. They're like, "Fuck, man. What am I

1:39:34 doing here with my life? This doesn't" And they just like start pouring out the exit. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was quite That was quite bad. Besides that, there wasn't anything else that was uh Did we get up to anything else? I think we did. I think there was uh I mean, I don't know. Vegas Vegas overall was just like Dude, yeah. going to the [ __ ] gym, too. I went in for like I wanted to check out the gym. I did like two sets of pull-ups. I came in in like jeans and a t-shirt or something. Uh the hotel gym in Vegas was the most cartoonishly like you walk in there and it's like uh how is this legal? Like all of these people are like entirely naked. You have like the the

1:40:21 girls are straight up wearing like it's like you know the width of masking tape. It's like that's what's covering their nipples. That's what's covering the what they've got going on down here. Uh, and then you have the guys wearing, you know, those stringers where they you cut like the >> Oh, so it's like there's like a tiny little strap and then they have like a little band kind of, but they want to show off their abs too now. So it's like the band is now like only over like below their waist. It was just so naked, man. And they're all like looking at me like, "Why are you wearing so much clothes in this gym?" >> Yeah, it was a very bizarre situation on the whole, I would say. Um, yeah, just extremely bizarre. Um, but uh

1:41:09 the other the other thing I went to the pool, you you didn't go to the pool. I went to the pool and there's like all these guys taking these very metrosexual photos and uh they're like all very embarrassed to be doing it and I've just realized that like every single time I see a selfie now of some or some like guy taking a photo I'm just going to immediately realize like oh you like kind of like nervously glanced around to see if anyone was looking at you like just the most embarrassing thing where like you look around and like you're embarrassed that you're taking this photo and then your friend takes this photo and he's embarrassed that he's taking the won't last, man. It won't last. We're like >> five years out from just No, because girls already don't care, right? Like this was this is the other really funny thing that I I've started doing in clubs. Like girls, they're fine just

1:41:56 taking the picture wherever. They'll come up to literally anyone and be like, "Hey, can you take a picture of us?" And I've started just being like, "No." Like I like, you know, like I just don't I don't want to Yeah. No. Like I just don't want to do any free labor for you. I don't enjoy like it. There's no Yeah, I just don't care. Uh, and they don't know what to do with that response. >> No, zero%. They have actually zero. >> Like, nobody has ever said, "No, I won't take a picture of you before." It's It's clearly like an insanely antisocial. >> The other thing people do is like you'll be having a conversation and they'll like walk in front of you, then they'll go like, "I'm listening to everything you're saying." And it's like, "Please don't." >> This happened to us like multiple times. We had the people in front of us were like, "Wow, you guys are really like having an interesting conversation." And

1:42:42 I always want to be like, "Yeah, like you should check out the plausibly deniable experience on YouTube. We have similar talks like this for hours and hours. Like consider becoming a paid subscriber." >> Yeah. I was just like IRL podcast, man. >> It is It is kind of funny that if you just like walk around podcasting in public, people will be like, "This is a great podcast." >> Yeah. Yeah. No, that was that was all like very uh >> but it was all it was all like random women when we were like we were going on like misogynistic screeds and then like some woman will talk. Wow, this is like a really interesting insight on like the psychology of gender dynamics. >> It was just so funny because like uh the guys were walking around with I also don't know like if we're like misgaging our attractiveness because no one thought that like we didn't belong in

1:43:27 that group at all. But we're like walking around with these guys and just everyone is turning their heads and uh it was just like total looks maxer victory. Like total cultural victory. >> Yes, dude. Everyone we were being so antisocial and inappropriate and like uh it just never mattered. >> No, everyone loved us. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was I actively started being like how how abrasive can I be toward like how openly insulting and aggravating can I be towards these people and have it not matter? And it's just like there's no >> there's no to limit. Yeah. >> Like it can go infinite actually. Yes. >> Yeah. It was it was pretty bad. >> Um I don't know man. What are you going to do dude? The thing with tech now is

1:44:12 like you have to be like a raccoon scanger of tech where like if anything is ever good, buy three of them. We had an amazing conversation with an Apple employee the other day. We're like we're all sitting around. We arrive in San Francisco and we're all sitting around and we're all like, "Yeah, it seems like uh >> I was like, are we literally running out of memory? Like do I have to buy >> Can Apple Enterprises not afford memory anymore?" >> Yeah. Like they have to buy my maxed out. It's so funny because they're saying these things that like clearly either they truly believe this or they've been like media trained to say this to like try to not spook people where they go like >> honestly man the M3s are pretty good. You don't need an M5. Like you can just use an M3. And it's like oh god we all immediately the whole room goes oh god

1:44:57 it's over. >> But it's even worse because then she goes >> and then then she says something even worse. Then she goes, "You know, even our employees at Apple aren't using the M4s or M5s." And I'm just like, "They're out of chips, bro. They have zero chips left." >> We all look at each other and we're like, "It's over, man. It's uh criminally over." Like, uh, could not be more over, actually. >> It's so clearly over in a telegraphed way. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It was just like and it was also just so funny the conscious of like this person clearly trying to be like it's okay man you don't have to use an M5 like we're all using M3s like M4s and like some of us are even using M3s at Apple man. It was just like Apple can't

1:45:42 afford >> Oh, look at that. There we go. Apple can't even afford M5s uh for their own employees. It's just like it's over, bro. get your hands on all the compute you can, man. Bro, I was giving you [ __ ] for buying computer. I was like, dude, they always come up with a better one, man. And now I'm like I'm just like I need to raccoon all the hardware possible, bro. Welcome back. >> Welcome back. After intermission, we did we did the Bap thing where we disappeared for an indeterminate amount of time. >> Now we like sound different. I feel like he he does that a lot where he like uh goes for a smoke break. It's like he does like a two-minute break. Everyone

1:46:27 was always like, "Dude, like you went on his podcast and like I've always been really curious what goes on in those breaks. Like they're really mysterious to me." And I had, you know, when someone has this like clearly built up mythos around something and you realize that like you're actually detracting from the impact of someone's content if you destroy it by telling them the truth. >> Yeah. You can't tell them the truth. So I I always answer and say something like, "Dude, you're never going to believe what goes on in those breaks." But it is just like he's like, "Yeah, I'm going to go smoke a cigarette. I'll be back. >> Cut that. Cut that. Cut that for >> I should Yeah, I should just cut it all out. >> No, we just like that's only because I'm not one of the people that he has.

1:47:12 >> Just we got to stop. We got to pull it back to normaly. I mean, we just did the enhanced games episode where we just talked about how we hung out with a bunch of gay German billionaires. >> Yeah, it was uh it was an interesting experience, man. It's like funny because I'll talk to people and I have to figure out how much I can tell them about this without them thinking like this is very strange. Just like trying out. It's like the worst height. It's like ah like casually really enjoying this armrest. Dude, you do gain a lot of appreciation for the people who do home studios when you like uh >> start to set up the whole thing, which is you. You do like SA always does this

1:47:58 thing where he's like, "Wow, now that I am experiencing the same pain in the ass as you are always exposed to, I'm realizing how inconsiderate it is of me to constantly like moving the time forward or back 30 minutes without any notice or things like that. It's just so dude the the penguin is great. The like anonymity is great. And it's not even about the anonymity. It's just about like uh there are certain things you don't have to do. You know what I mean? >> Yes. >> Yeah. You can just I know. But you just show up. >> I can just turn the record button on and show up. It's like Lucas has like seven different lights with different colors, like four microphones adjusting the

1:48:43 [ __ ] chair. The camera is the other thing. Like it's so far away. It's not a wide angle lens. It's like 20 feet away from us. So, you need like a room with like 20. It's not good. >> Yeah. But yeah, we're uh we've also arrived here in San Francisco. What have we been up to? We've been meeting people. Are we going to do the thing where it's like, ah, what can we joke about? Like, what can we talk about when all these people probably listen to the podcast? Yeah, >> it is super funny. One of the really funny things is like you meet all these people who are ostensibly like super like like they think you're like uh too politically incorrect and then you meet them and then in private they say things that make like you and I think like yeah

1:49:29 man that was like super that was too much as a joke bro and it's like just uh I also am just like I don't really do that many politically incorrect things especially not by modern standards anymore. more like I'm just increasingly becoming less of a like cruel. >> We're living out, man. It's our live out era. >> Yes. >> It's uh the boys go to one, you know, German billionaire hangout in Vegas and they're lived out, bro. >> Very, very true. I don't know, man. It it's just like you hear these people talk though and they'll do like some form of racism that's like uh >> they it's like clear that there's someone that they have like a personal

1:50:14 grievance against. It's like someone there's like some group that's like now like uh I don't know maybe they liked this girl and she was like Indian and she didn't like them back or and now like that's the source of their It's like you're not doing it right. Like this isn't the the correct way to do racism. >> Yeah. There's like whimsical anthropological racism and then there's like >> weird spike >> my college ex's like obviously directed at a single person. >> Yes. >> And it it does seem like a lot of the problems people have with anthropological racism is that they think it's the other kind. >> Yeah. Like the problem also I'm realizing like every time anyone is like oh like that's you must be projecting. I'm realizing it's because like 90% of

1:50:59 people do it this way. Yeah, >> like 90% of people they'll be like I hate Indians because of my Indian ex-girlfriend specifically and they're all and then instead of doing like Indian stereotypes they do their ex-girlfriend stereotypes and it's like well this of course you think stereotypes are wrong. This isn't how you stereotype. This is just a description of your ex-girlfriend. >> Yeah. >> I hate the way all Indians use highlighters on their notes and they carry them around and like that's that's just girls. Indians always cheat on me with my best friend Joe. And it's like again just your girlfriends, man. Not all Indians cheated on you with your best friend Joe. >> Yeah, it's I don't know, man. And you also have the thing where everyone in San Francisco has like you live in a

1:51:45 bubble, right? Like I'm here now. I I can tell you just definitively we're in a bubble, right? Everything about this experience is a bubble. And so much of the experience that people describe, uh, you know, they'll be like, they'll hear someone else making a stereotype and say, "Dude, I've never experienced that. That doesn't make any sense." Like, all of the all of the people around me are really like high netw worth individuals who would never do. And it's like, yes, you your house costs $2.3 million. Everyone you've interacted with has an IQ of 120 or above for the last 17 years. like you legitimately cannot relate to anything that the average person in America is saying. >> Dude, the other thing I was thinking about is uh the social scene is so permeable here that like the housing costs are out of control, but I do

1:52:31 sometimes wonder if like the housing costs aren't like actually very cheap because you you are just like three house parties away from meeting Sam Alman at all times. Like well I think that's why they're like I think I think this is just another example of like the big sort going through everything and like everyone is realizing that like >> you know the hustle grind set kids that were like five years ago posting about like yeah man like I knew that I wanted to make it big but I didn't know how. So, the way that I accomplished making it big is like uh I I stole all of uh all of my student loans and I used it to throw like a $50,000 party. Uh and the connections that I got from this $50,000 party have made my life, right? Like >> it's like that but real. That's this

1:53:17 city. Like everyone in this >> But it's not even you have to spend $50,000. It's just like you have to go to the party and like accurately assess the correct brainworm that like the person in the room has. And then if you assess their brainworm correctly, you can do the thing where it's like you know the dialogue tree that results in them being like, "Hey man, come to this house party tomorrow." Like literally tomorrow. Like I just met you five minutes ago. I'm gonna vouch for you in front of all my friends. Like come over. it'll be totally fine. And then you go to that party and then they invite you to another party and then like magically Sam Alman is just there. And so you're just always three house parties away from meeting like whoever the big guy in

1:54:03 SF is at this point. But then also you have this idea that you're going to meet them and you're going to like what you're like I'm going to pitch him on my chat GBT vibecoded startup and then I'm gonna he's gonna acquire me for $250 million. That does kind of just happen actually. >> Yeah, actually. Yeah. >> Ah, dude. Like I think we're being a little >> It's obviously I mean your startup does actually need to exist and whatnot, but uh he's doing the thing where he walks off camera except in real life now. >> Yeah. So he does this a lot. Do you do the thing where you loop the video still a lot or no? >> Oh, you So >> sometimes I just cut it probably Dude, just pick up your

1:54:48 >> I I will now go and I will literally just like cut out the video of me so it just goes to a purely black screen and then leave. It's like the laziest editing of all time. >> We should just uh we should have some fan make us like a screen that says like uh coffee break, Lucas intermission break or something. >> Yeah, I'm basically doing like the wine ant thing but like the coffee uncle. Like he's right there, guy. Like he's literally right there. >> They can see me. They can see the cup. >> Yeah. >> Look at this. >> Ooh, the behind the scenes. I bet they're really liking this. >> Yeah. >> I will say it's so much nicer to have uh like us here together. Not like the weird like Salem magically spawns in like a lag

1:55:34 second lag on every single piece of internet. Like even even when he's on like a cellular data plan in the US, like we're literally on the same network. like it's the same cell towers. They'll be back here with me >> and it's >> somehow they just hate me, man. >> Yes. I don't understand. I have uh I have this family friend that I grew up with and she had this like weird she would always say yeah like I just don't do well with computers and we were like what? And then we all noticed like if you email her and you send her an attachment or she sends you an like it just always gets corrupted somehow. And then at some point it started getting to be where like if you would communicate with her in any way over the commun computer, you just start getting viruses. Uh I don't think it's that bad, but I do have like a permanent dead spot that I just walk around, man. Like that.

1:56:20 And and also SF is like a notorious dead spot town where >> Dude, my internet has been totally fine. Also, isn't it so bizarre that SF >> Well, you're like in the one part of town. That's like >> Okay, that's fair. But like Yeah. I mean, it's just a little bizarre that SF is like Silicon Valley, like tech capital of the universe, and we're like, "Yeah, we don't know how to do 5G." Like, >> every western city though, man, it's just like Asia's a trillion years ahead, part 502. >> Taiwan, >> are you going to come back or is it just going to be like a postmodernist episode where >> Yeah, we can. It's just the SA talking like looking. >> Dude, I'm so mad. Oh, we switched the chairs and then you found another one that's even taller.

1:57:09 Lucas just never ends. Lucas making me stand next to him and like editing the Sailor blob to be like 2 in shorter. >> Yeah, I'm going to cut that out. Wouldn't it be super funny if you made it so that like uh like literally we stand up next to each other and then like my blob just like very conspicuously goes down by a bunch of like by a bunch. >> I will say SA is somewhere between like I don't know like two to four inches taller than me for sure. >> I'm a little more than that but yeah >> I think >> I'm not frauding super hard. I think two to four it's like three three is probably Yeah. So 5'11 confirmed. >> Yeah. >> Actual 51. >> They actually aren't frauding our heights. >> Actual 51.

1:57:54 >> The last two men in all of America not frauding their heights. But there's also just no benefit to me saying like I'm actually 5'11, right? Because like nobody believes that. No. Like you know like Nick Fentes also said he was like 5'11 for like years, right? >> He's not 5'11. >> And then you have uh Martin Scraley. I saw him on an interview saying that like uh actually he also said this to me when we were doing a podcast, but he said that they edited his Wikipedia article and they would keep lowering his height. Do you remember when he just got like he got banned from every single dating app in the universe because he was like one of the first guys to just get like like women were like he's mean like this is a bad guy. We have to cancel him. And so he was unable to make like a Tinder account. he was unable to make like uh

1:58:40 plenty like he just got banned from all of the dating apps. Uh and then his Wikipedia page they started editing him to be shorter and shorter. Like you can't get a girlfriend. Like you're banned from dating women. >> Dude, we've also just met so many people these past weeks that I think are going to be very good guests on the pod. >> Like who? >> H I don't want to spoil. It's going to be it's gonna be >> You should name them all. >> Are we going to do the bleeping thing? Are we gonna >> No, I don't. Dude, I don't want to edit any. Like, let's just >> let's just post the raw file, bro. >> Yeah, truly. Actually, like we don't even put the overlay on. I'm just going to upload this. It's This is also like the world historic funniest background. Like this is this is like the least. >> This is like Manila Manila like Oval

1:59:26 Office. Yes. Like >> like Manila [ __ ] like nice furniture. This is like '9s core uh like politician podcast, right? And it's like it's definitely it's definitely a woman wearing a pants suit podcast. >> So the fact that it's >> Yes, it is a woman wearing a pants suit podcast. Like this background like you can just see the outline of the woman >> and it's like this is real. Like this isn't uh you know this isn't some sort of weird AI. >> It would be really funny if it was AI. We should just get it. >> I have a green screen, but the problem is now I have I have like the stand for that light, the stand for that light, that tripod, and now I have to carry on a green screen stand. Also, >> we can do it. Next time we're not in person, we'll do like a goofy green

2:00:11 screen thing. We could just do this. We could record like Dude, I'm not going to lie. This is actually spoiling me because I'm I'm like going over and I'm I'm mentally listening to us podcasting about this and thinking like, "Wow, I'm not going to have to do any editing because we're actually we're not talking over each other like insane freaks. We're not doing the weird thing where like we just drop waiting for the other person's connection to resume." Uh yeah. And then everyone also will like they they look back at the episode and they're like, "Dude, like you need to cut it less." And it's like, guys, I promise you if I cut it, there was a reason. Like, >> I mostly just trust you. Yeah. I just uh We're gonna also soon have an editor. Lucas will have free time again.

2:00:57 >> Yes. >> Well, I'm now I'm now saying like, SA, like you should just just follow me around wherever I'm at and you can stay. Like I'll get two rooms because that genuinely saves me so many hours per week on editing that it's worth whatever the amount. >> We're doing the raccoon thing again. We like have gone full circle to when we met in Lisbon, man. >> Dude, I think we we just have some sort of a and what what he's referring to here is we've just like manifested housing situations, right? Like our whole thing is just like, >> yeah, we're not going to plan anything, but it will work out. We just arrived in SF and it was like we get to the airport and uh Lucas is like waiting for me on the lounge because we were on the different flights and it's like we're

2:01:42 like calling the Uber and I'm like wait I don't know when to call the Uber. >> We forgot we forgot the raccooning that started in the lounge. So I was like yo do you want anything? And I sneak sail out like >> like three cookies three cookies like a bunch of macaroons like a bunch of sweet rolls like some pineapple juice. walk out with this just like cartoonish bag. But here you go, bro. And it's it's also you always do the thing where like once you're like immediately out of the thing, you always do this like you break the rules and then once you're out, you like loudly state that you've broken like Lucas will go like, "I brought you all the food from the lab." I like make eye contact with the person like watching the door and I'm like, "Hey buddy, just wanted to let you know

2:02:28 here's 36,000 calories. I took them from indoors despite what the rules say." It's so funny, dude. It's so funny. But yeah. No. And then >> I also I also genuinely had like six pounds of salmon in there. Like all I was doing the whole time. I I also I also made that one tweet that I I was like, "Wow, SFO is like the best airport." >> Every single other airport needs to be demolished and replaced with a clone of SFO. And then I did like #bomo hair. >> Dude, Lucas is trying so hard to get banned and it's like it's just so bad. >> It just made me laugh so hard to do #bomo. >> We really should meet. Dude, one of the

2:03:13 original I got like banned way back when because um I think I said like I think I I think the mistake I made is like I actually screenshotted like the Google maps of like the ClickUp office because I was getting really annoying ads for them from like two weeks. I was like I'm fine with >> screenshotted their location and said like I'm fine with your company and you have a fine product but if you continue serving the ads >> I literally said one more ad and you know what I'm going to do and it was just like the thing >> you used to always make death threats on Twitter. you like I've sent you multiple tweets where you were like saying that you were going to kill someone and I was like dude you have to and you're like it's fine it's fine and now you're like dude you can't say you can't say we should demolish the O'Hare airport that's >> oh #bomb

2:03:59 is pretty bad >> the context dude grock understands the context knows what I'm talking about >> this is the thing with like whenever they try to do like very literal like oh you're not allowed to say like [ __ ] on the internet or whatever >> and it's just It always is this very spiky thing where like there are people that are actually like unironically trying to like cause bodily harm to people and they never get those people somehow but they always get the guy who's making some obvious joke. I'm always joking. That's why like I never take it a big deal. I think at a certain point also like if your account is big enough they start like really like they they have to elevate it like past Grock and now you have an actual

2:04:44 and it's not like you have like the Singaporean or like the Indonesian moderator you have like a real like there's a real person like from America if you have like a 10 or like 50 or 100k account and they have to say like yeah this one this one looks like it's fine right like they're making a joke I had one really bad joke. I I can't even repeat it on YouTube. It'll like instantly get me banned, but like genuinely probably like the most egregious joke that I've ever made on X. And uh I got my account sus like locked for it where they say like you have to delete this or else it's over, right? Like you have to delete this or else you cannot come back to the website. And I just kept appealing. I was like, "Yeah, so this is like a satire based on like what Kanye said in this interview." Uh

2:05:31 and it eventually just worked. and they were like, "Oh, yeah, that's reasonable. It's like a satire of Kanye West, right? Like, you don't you don't really have these opinions and you weren't really saying it for real." Uh, whatever that means. >> Yeah, don't worry about that, YouTube. There was there was a picture of Sam Hyde. Uh, it Yeah, it was a combo of the Sam Hyde, we're just going to kill him joke in uh tandem with something that Kanye said. Sam Hyde I think is uh like the first guy who I have gotten like genuine just like uh like super losers star power vibes from when like he started when he like started just randomly boosting our podcast. I unironically like went total fanboy mode for like 12 hours, dude.

2:06:17 >> Yeah, I'm I'm trying to be really normal about it. I haven't really said anything to him because uh >> yeah, I just I don't know what to say, dude. >> But like Sam Dude, you're the guy who like made all of my friends not commit like ritualistic mass suicide during this one weird period of edit some of this. >> Yeah, >> the auto the like auto moderation of everything makes everything so lame because then you have to say like bleep yourself and it's just very uh yeah, here we can just chunk the whole thing out. But the important thing is uh Sam Hyde accidentally functioned as our parasocial uncle who prevented all of us from like spiraling into a deep depression and then joining the military. >> Yeah, >> that was that was the other thing. I don't know if you've noticed this, but

2:07:02 everyone who we're friends with when they were growing up, it's like you have two options. One, you start your own company. too. You join the military and become some sort of special operations forces guy and you're just like, "Dude, we're gonna go and I'm going to go to a foreign country and half of them are going to be gone by the time I'm done." Like I always think uh like the the military thing is like a big like uh surely if I almost die, it'll give me a reason. I'll find a reason to want to live. It always seemed like that. Everyone like romanticized it really hard. This was >> I think what happens is then you get there you almost die and you're like wow this actually really sucks and you actually find a reason to live. >> No. So I it it's very very uh particular

2:07:48 to the type of person you are. But there is a type of guy who was just designed to kill people, right? like maybe like 5% of the population, the point of their existence is to just be like an elite Delta Forces guy who like crashes through windows and like abducts people and just does all of this stuff. And so I have some friends who joined and some of them they're just going they're like officers and they're like coordinating a bunch of like Space Force launches and stuff like that. Uh, and then I know too who joined and they're just like elite like killers now and they're like it's everything I thought it would be. Like I'm so glad that I did this. Like every day I wake up and I think about my next deployment.

2:08:33 We sound You sound just way too bloodthirsty. We got to tone it down like a lot. Like we gotta tone it down, bro. Yeah, we gotta we gotta go a wholesome Christian mode on this one, bro. But it is it is just like uh I don't know like nobody knows if they're the one until I think you get put in the situation. But you have the idea because I also do know some people who got deployed and they were like, you know, it's the thing you said where you're like, dude, like they're shooting at us. This is spooky. Like I don't like this. Right. Uh, but some of them are like, you know, they they get like inverse PTSD, right? Like instead of hearing like a pop go off in the background and like ah and like freaking

2:09:19 out and like reaching for their rifle, they like instantly snap too and they like start surveying the room and they grab like I have my sidearm. >> Yeah. The other thing about our raccooning is like it's gotten much better. Like we know we've like skilled out the raccooning stat that like uh our housing raccooning is now like we have separate rooms in a very nice house. Uh I can't describe like more details because it is like a cartoonish scenario. >> It's like a very good housing scenario. >> Like incredibly good. Like there's people here who like I haven't fully described the housing scenario to because the fact that I was like asking them for housing like a day before like

2:10:05 an hour before finding housing that they would like to have >> would like just make their brain explode. There's like people with like open AI and anthropic equity who have substantially worse housing situations than us. >> Yeah, dude. The other Oh my god. The other SF thing that we have to talk about is like only in San Francisco do you run into people who like 98% of their net worth is like tied up in the equity of a company and then they FUD that company all like all day long they're like dude the company's so bad man it's like dude this is 98% of your now and they're just like dude you don't get it it's so bad though >> I think I think a lot of what happened is like uh there's this phenomenon where

2:10:51 when you work at your first big company, you think like there's no way any of our products can ever work, right? When you see inside, you see how the >> So, you said this yesterday. Sorry. You're not like describing it perfectly very like what happens is you see serious companies from the outside in and you assume like, oh, they must be so polished and then you go into your first big company that is like externally polished and it's just like it feels like everything's tied together with duct tape, man. And it's always this way though. That's the thing. Like you only realize this if you've gone from like I don't know like one nice company to another nice company to another one and then you're like oh inside like it all just doesn't >> it always feels like that. I think I do think there are companies where it is

2:11:36 like the duct tape is like falling off and no one even cares. Uh but I think at any kind of like newish company even if the reputation is really good and the people are really good feels a little duct taped. Uh sometimes I mean I think anything in tech is just like if it's moving fast. >> The problem is yeah the iteration cycles are like fast enough that you're always building new things and so you can't like perfectly you you can't finish the perfection of the old thing because you're already on to the new thing. like every single every single thing that I noticed uh you know my first job it's literally like a departmental level of polish whereas the most slowmoving departments the ones that do not deal with like a changing product line that

2:12:22 often or the ones that have like if there's like something where you're regulatory locked in for like five years you get a lot of polish got a very you know it's very consistent uh and then you go to the tech side right like you're dealing with like the embedded systems guys and uh especially around COVID era when you were just like, "Yep, so we can't get the chips. Uh, we're going to be like, dude, I don't know. We're going to be using like FGPAs that we like repurpose for this and just like hack it together, man." Like, I don't know. Like, it's not the right chip, but like nobody knows. And it's only like a $40 difference or something. And it's like the machine parts. That's a big cost. $40, not that much. Just shove it under the rug. Like, we'll be fine, man. that stuff would get subbed out like on a two to three week basis which is like

2:13:09 insane for uh you know for any sort of like chip or hardware. You can't really Yeah. Yeah. Do we have anything else that we had to cover from the enhanced games we should tell the the people? I mean I guess there were a bunch of interesting parties we had. You know, if we really want to be the worst people ever, we could talk about like we went to some of these things. Uh, >> no. Let's not be the worst people ever been. Let's Let's not do that. We don't have to do that. Actually, it's just me editing it all out forever. >> No. I So, the one other insight that was interesting about like running into the streamers in person was you realize that these people make like millions of

2:13:54 dollars, but uh it's just the duct tape thing like it's super scuffed together. like uh when they're doing like Thor's big uh lift, which is like the big event, like that was like the super he was like maybe the most famous guy there, right? >> And when they're doing his lift, like one of the big fitness influencers was like nearish me and I could see him and he like is recording all of this just on his phone, like just his phone, which the phones do have really good cameras now, but like you would think >> you would think he would record this on something better, >> dude. Honestly, it's it's getting to the point where I kind of think that we should all just like use a phone because okay, if you're trying to live stream this and you want to not use a phone,

2:14:39 what does this require? Like this now requires you to have a separate camera that is now and you can't use Bluetooth for this. You have to have a wire going from your camera to some other internet device, right? Like it has to be like into a phone, right? And then the phone has to be you have to have some sort of >> I think this was a YouTube one though. But but your point stands. But I think this guy was just recording for later. >> Yeah. If he's recording it for later, then I don't know. Maybe he can do the camera. But it's also it's just such a pain in the ass, man. A phone a phone has everything. The big problem with going and using a camera is you always wind up having to use like some sort of bonded tethered like 5G modem. So now you're carrying around like a modem and like a battery pack and you have like a streamer backpack. There's a reason they all have the streamer backpack. So,

2:15:26 you've turned into a turtle now. You're like a live streaming turtle guy. And then you have the guy next to you who's just using his phone and you're like seething with jealousy, right? Because you're like, I could It also is like it's like a 100° out today. So, you have the live streaming turtle guys like dripping, right? And they take off their their turtle shell. Their entire back is just covered with sweat. And then you have like the girl with her new iPhone like it's like nobody in the audience notices or cares, right? Like these people are all watching this live stream on their phone camera rotated so it destroys like 25. The other like uh duct tape thing about this was like like randomly people would come into a shot and like this guy I later like looked him up and he's like

2:16:12 one of the biggest guys in the space like probably easily clears like a hundred million views a month or something and this guy is just like using his phone and like random people are walking in front of him and it's like this is probably like more important than like the average CNN broadcast or Fox broadcast in terms of like how important it is. And he's like having to tell these random girls like please get out of the way. This is like the milliondoll shot. Like I need to get this shot. Like I've been brought here to get this shot to get this shot. Like literally these 10 seconds and like uh he got lucky that they had to redo the thing, >> but if they didn't redo the thing, like it would have been all over. Yeah. The other thing that's funny is

2:16:57 like you're That wasn't the Thor one, by the way. So, there was Hooper. Hooper did their uh a deadlift and he they started him too early and they didn't have the cameras all set up and nobody noticed that he was doing the deadlift. So, like he went up to the stand, he grabs the bar, he's like ready and then they're like, "Wait, wait, wait, hold up. We don't have the camera." This is another one of those things that we were talking about where it's like they accidentally nerfed the athletes a lot. >> Uh, and it's not like >> it's not that big, but I think a lot of this is like mental. Yes, because again it's the thing I said earlier like all these athletes are super superstitious just like they blow any priest out of the water >> example of this also is like if you watch the runners these runners will have like a two pound gold chain on

2:17:44 right and it's like >> they know that this is bad someone at some point in their life has said hey man you know you'll run slightly faster if you don't add like 2% to your body weight with this gold chain right they're wearing it because it's some sort of like a superstitious good luck thing anyway >> and they somehow will perform better with it on like >> through the power. So when you when you have these guys come up and you interrupt them in the middle of the thing, you break their like uh weird mojo somehow, right? You get like stumbled. >> So it's not the best. Uh >> yeah, it's it's not the greatest. Uh and then the other thing that's very interesting seeing these people is like there's clearly people who love the job and then people who hate the job. Um, like there are just like streamers that

2:18:29 love it and streamers that really really really hate it, man. >> Yeah. And it's funny how many people are like clearly locked into this by like >> I have no like this is my only prospect. >> This is the only thing I've learned. >> Yeah. >> Uh, it's also funny and this is like a very streamer thing. Are we good? >> Hold on. Yes, we're good. Uh so yeah, they're totally locked into this. The last thing is it's very funny how streaming I think is unlike any other medium where people always talk about fame versus clout. Like and you see the guys who like four years ago were mega famous like stupidly

2:19:14 famous. Like even I who kind of live under a rock I know about these people despite not ever attempting to know. Like I I force know about them. somebody forced me to >> and they're like out of the game kind of but they've only really been out of the game for two years but like no one even looks at them twice whereas like Dwayne the Rock Johnson walks by. Everyone knows who this guy is. But like these guys were somehow bigger than The Rock like two years ago but only for a two-year period which is really weird. It's actually kind of great if you're the guy because I think anyone who's famous and doesn't have to do it for work kind of hates it. I think this is just another product of like uh the algo source things instead of like a credentialed body, right? Like we used to have Hollywood saying like you're

2:20:00 either in or you're not in. And now it's like you can independently make yourself in by going and pointing an iPhone at your face and saying like through the force of sheer will I am going to like people will know about me, right? Like you can go and just spend money on Clippers and say like I'm going to make it so that I am viewed 100 million times this month. I paid the money. I will become famous. >> Very doable. >> I think this was also one of the few events where like uh the really really really rich people were just like hanging out right next to the like famous like uh >> dude this happens all the time freak. >> Yes. This just this is just everything now. I think this has just started, but I don't think this used to happen at

2:20:45 all. >> No, >> I think this like previously never happened. >> Every single person who does media has gradually started hearing from all of their like extremely wealthy friends like, "How do I get into media?" >> It's also just, dude, doing daily content is so hard. It's so hard, man. >> You're again, this is like insane. SA will do this thing where it's like Sailor's never done daily content. He's talking to me. I have done daily content for like five hours. >> I know that's why I'm saying it. We've talked about this. >> Well, but I'm just saying like how do you know it's so hard? It's just very obvious to me that it's hard that it's like >> Yeah. >> Like doing daily content is not seven times harder than doing weekly content. Doing daily content is like at the same quality as weekly content might actually

2:21:31 just not be possible. Like it might be like it might be so many times harder that like it's just not possible. Uh it's it's so hard to churn out like high quality stuff unless you're literally always like uh and this also makes you really understand the rise of like React streaming. >> Yeah. >> Uh because >> it is so easy to be like look the thing and then like sit and like scroll your phone for 5 minutes. >> Yeah. It's all the people trying to figure out like dude like I cannot be interesting for this many hours every day. I need something that makes it like and then they're like, "What if I just filmed myself scrolling?" Like, "What if I just filmed the most mundane thing that I do, but like because because it's mundane, you have to find a way to make

2:22:16 it interesting." And so you're like, "Okay, well, I guess I have to like soyjack at it." >> But the thing like so they just keep soying at everything and it eventually creates content that people want to watch. But like I think everything everything that you have to understand about streaming is like much of streamer culture is designed to be something that allows these people to continue doing it without committing suicide which doesn't seem like it seems like oh like how hard can it try it you try it go out and try streaming for like two to four hours every day uh you will very quickly realize that it's actually an extremely you have to love it you like really have to genuinely enjoy it. And the other thing with media is like if you don't actually enjoy it, it's very easy to

2:23:01 tell. And unless you're one of the like very few people who is like hate watched and in that rare case, it is actually positive to hate it. But that's very rare. And those people usually hate themselves and like it's just overall a very tortured experience. But unless you're one of those very few people, it will be incredibly bad for the final output of your media project. Uh if it's very clear that you hate doing the thing, like super bad. >> Yes. And you can also you can also really tell when these people are uh like at first they're like this is my thing. This is what I am. I am streamer guy who does and then you start talking to them more and more and over time they start realizing what everyone in the audience has realized which is like they're burned out and they do not want to do this and so they're trying to

2:23:47 figure out some way to make it tolerable to them because they're like I don't want a full like career pivot or whatever. >> Yeah. And this is where the reaction thing comes in. Yeah. And so they can kind of do this thing where they'll like scroll and then be like, "Oh." Or the other play that people can do is they can just start like interviewing interesting people and hoping like it's like, "Yeah, I'll have Chad GPT come up with like 50 questions that I ask them. >> Just run through the questions >> and then I'll just and then no matter what they say, I'll be like, "Dude, whoa, I've never thought about it that way." And then clip that, dude. Clip that chat. And then they clip it and now it's like they have 50 clips. And hopefully if they have interesting guests on now they have a show still, right? But it's like >> you've now become like a dumber version of Joe Rogan. You're like this is Joe

2:24:33 Rogan minus the drugs minus >> to be fair. Dumber version of Joe Rogan has like great product market fit, man. Like it is like a multi-billion. >> I'll say a less interesting version of Joe Rogan. I think I understand where you're coming from where like I think both for you and I it's like Joe Rogan is like the median episode is not that interesting to sit through that. I don't even watch Joe Rogan, but I just know that he doesn't have a ton of input and he mostly like he hears from other people and he combines. >> He has like 10 voice lines that he goes down. One's like, "Psychedelics, you're awesome, man." I was like, >> "That's crazy, bro." Like, "Alien thing comes up. That's crazy, bro." Like, >> uh, military conspiracy. That's crazy,

2:25:18 >> dude. We should start We should start giving takes on aliens. That's like the bottom of like, you know, you know that the plausibly deniable experience has run out of every other take. It's like it's like if we ever we ever decide >> what do we think about the UFO drops, dude? The the one thing about the UFO drops is like uh it's hard to tell if it's like other drops where there's just like random rumors and like random phone callins that like are filtered in with like the actual serious information or if uh it is all real. Man, it does really make you question things. And then the thing that I really like about the UFO drops is the guy who like spent 10 years going like uh they're not telling you you got to stop the audio quality, man. They're like uh they're

2:26:04 like you really got it. You're editing Lucas is not going to be super happy. It's like the the uh the government isn't telling you about the thing. And then five years later, the government is telling you about the thing and they're like, "Dude, it can't be real, bro. the government wouldn't tell you, dude. And the other funny thing is that like half the people that were insisting that the aliens are real are the ones in the government releasing the stuff. Now, >> I think >> I don't know what to make of anything. >> No, it's it's like the Alex Jones approach where there's a lot of people where their uh their stance is just like invert all official news sources, right? So, if the government says there's no aliens, there's like there's aliens and then the government says that there is aliens, you're like no, they're gone now, right? Y >> and you don't need to like you're like

2:26:50 oh well explain to me how the aliens disappeared there and he's like I don't have to. I just think the opposite of what the government did like right like like how can that have been true? It's like well I was wrong before now I'm right. That's all they're like they're not going to get into an argument about this with you. I also just like I can't bring myself to care about the aliens at all because like it's just so old, right? Like this is what the government always does is they're like, "Okay, now that we've like juiced everything out of this specific conspiracy theory, what if we like released it to the public, right? Like, oh, like the the JFK assassination, like we were releasing the files 60 years after." Like, I don't care. Nobody has cared. The other loophole that they've

2:27:36 really figured out is like no one wants to read 200 pages of files. So, you can just like if you put out enough files, no one reads it. This is a little debunked now because of AI. Like you can kind of just like >> I think the problem is that like most of the media pundits are not smart enough like Tiger Carlson is not smart enough I don't think to like >> have some like 17-year-old intern who knows how to use the >> but the intern's eyes I feel like at page 100 of the files just like glaze over man 100%. >> Do you not the thing you have to download the entire like I if this is me I'm just downloading the entire thing. I'm telling an agent like OCR this whole document. I'm talking internally OCR the whole document. >> Yeah. And then just like go through and >> their eyes glaze over by page 80 and that's it.

2:28:22 >> I think that's what happens like in real life. >> No, but like you take you take the OCR document and you have an agent like you're like take any interesting points out. Give it to me in seven bullet points. >> But again the the interned over by page 80. >> No, but like dude there like you don't you don't have to read 80 pages. You give an AI 80 pages. But we're talking about Tucker Carlson. He's not doing AI. I promise you. >> Right. But he has a 17-year-old intern that will do. >> That intern is not doing AI either. >> What? There's no way. Dude, dude, this is the thing. Anyone who uses AI is like, everyone's using AI, bro. It's literally 99% of the Earth's population has only ever used the free version of Chat TBT and they didn't have an account. I just assume that anyone who has a job that involves research uses AI

2:29:07 because if you're doing research without AI, it's genuinely very interact with. Yes. But not like the real world. Dude, I'm just I'm telling you that we have the numbers on this. That's why all these companies the valuations look stupid because on the one hand it's like total a like agentic general intelligence. It's over for like intelligence the marginal value of intelligence goes to zero. And then it's like that's true, but also like only 600 million people have used your product, man. Like ever. Like that's the number of people that have ever used >> 150 billion users. Million users. >> Yeah. But uh the valuation is like uh getting into the trillion. So it's like

2:29:52 very hard. >> I don't know, dude. I just feel like I just feel like you I don't think the random intern at Fox knows how to like screen up 300page document. >> Maybe not Tucker Carlson's in intern because like if if Tucker Carlson's team had higher media literacy, I think he would have realized that his entire audience has been replaced by the third world by now. Uh but like some serious pundit out there should know, right? Like if you're looking up, dude, if you're looking up any information on any medicine, like I can talk to like the world's most upto-date looks maxer about like, yo, what's the current state of dutastride, right? Like it's a hair loss medication. Have have we learned anything else about how it goes uh in comparison to finasteride or any of the

2:30:38 other stuff? And like they can tell me what their current understanding is and then I can ask Chad GPT and Chad GPT will be like, "Oh yeah, there's been like two recent like there's a phase 2 trial that they forgot to tell you about." like it's just more up to date now. It's better. Uh and anytime you try and like read about this yourself now you're searching you're searching through Google which is just broken. Like can you imagine using Google at this point? I really like that you can tell it like disregard and then it just like the AI like it just reads your thing. This is like another like agent literacy thing. Like you would think that Google would have learned by now how to like hardcode in a prompt around what you send into the Google search bar that like does not allow you to prompt inject, but no. So again, like you just

2:31:24 don't recognize that you're in the top like 1% of 1% of AI usage, man. Like literally Google. Dude, I just feel like the average person has to be using AI to summarize large documents. Like I refuse to >> The average person is like xeroxing documents, man. Like I'm just telling you, bro. The average person is like AM radio or something. Dude, American Online still has like 80 million users. AOL still has like 80 million users. Like I can believe that just because I mean, as we've noted recently, that's like a third of America. past past a certain age, people just are they oify, right? It's like complete and total.

2:32:10 Also, I'm totally totally against the idea of like if you have any older people in your family and they're just like totally disconnected from everything, right? Like they're they're living back in like the 60s or something like that and they their image of trends and their image of like geopolitics, all of this is just frozen in the 60s. Uh I just don't think you're ever supposed to argue with them or try to convince them of anything. I think when they say things to you that are like advice that is just no longer re they're like oh like you should you should go and like marry that girl or oh you should go to college you should just be like yeah thank you so much that's a good idea like I love you and then like give them >> I don't think you could do that because the problem is then like if you have difficulty with any of those things they go like why didn't you do the super like this is like the

2:32:55 >> and wait this goes viral on Twitter like every two months without a doubt it's like the man who gives their female friend their dating app and then she's like, "I'm going to write a really thoughtful response to this girl. >> I'm going to get you so many matches. >> I'm going to get you so many. It's so easy to get girls. You're going to get so many girls." >> And then they try they try for like three days and all the unmatched block. Like there was one the other day that went viral that was like uh she was like I'm going to write this super and she spent like five minutes crafting out this like a carefully written message that like referenced all of the special prompts that she had and like really thoughtful comments about all of her clothing or whatever in the video in the photos and then it's like red 30 seconds

2:33:40 later unmatched yet. And the guy's commenting and he he said like it looked like her face uh like it looked like she'd gotten slapped or something, right? >> Yeah. And this just happens every single time you let uh you let because I mean I've done this all the time. Like I always thought that this was a fun thing to do in college is like uh you know because anytime girls see whatever you're doing on a dating app, they're like there's no way that would work. Like women will never fall for this. It's just the fish. It's just like the fish that's like out of water talking to the fisherman and being like that would never work, bro. And it's like, dude, like you fell for this last week, man. That's why you're That's why I know you. That's why you're like sitting in the chair in like a fish tank next to me and not in the water, bro. Like, you just fell. This is the

2:34:27 same exact hook I used on you, man. Like, this is like, does this lure not look like familiar at all? and they're looking at their lure really hard, like really close. They're like, "No, that would never. That's doesn't look familiar at all. Wouldn't work at all, bro." They hate the thing. They hate the thing where like the guy will go and he'll just copy paste the same exact line to like 500 different people. They'll be like, "Dude, like I've seen that line before. That would never work on me." Dude, and then it's like all guys do it because they have AB tested this method versus every other method and they have determined >> every guy who seriously who takes dating apps seriously and like talks to me about them just says like, "Dude, there's this like unpatched latest thing that I AB tested and it's 80% better."

2:35:14 Dude, it's literally >> this is a soulless experience, but it's literally the response is like, I tried this on 107 women and the response rate back was like 73% which is better than my next best thing which I was doing last month, but clearly the meta has evolved and now it's like 20% down. >> It's the exact same thing as like short form video ads where you know you have those games that pop up and it's like you have the person being like they're saying this game is fake but it's obviously real. I'm totally playing the game right now. And they're like moving between the sides saying like, "Okay, like I have the I have the army platoon. They're shooting bullets this way." Oh no. And then how do those games exist? There's clearly like a contingent of zombie humans that actually play those games. >> No, no, no. It's so much better. I for

2:36:01 this was like two years ago. We were doing something uh we were doing consulting for some company that was doing like web 3 gaming or whatever. And so I downloaded a bunch of these gotacha games to see like how do they generate revenue, right? And it actually is like you play this game puzzle sequence like maybe 4% of the time. The rest of the game is a series of like there's like all these resources that you just have to click on. So you have to open the app every like seven minutes to click on your things or else they like overflow and go away. Or you can buy like a stack increase. So like you only have to open the app every 15 minutes. Like the entire thing is just this trap that gets you opening the app as many times as possible and then your reward

2:36:46 at the end is playing this stupid puzzle game, right? >> Yeah. You only get to like do the core gameplay loop for like 4% of the time. the the hook that they realize gets everyone is when you have uh you have the guy playing the game and it's like it's obvious that he's making the wrong decision, right? Like he's over he moved the army platoon to this guy. >> You're looking at this and you're like no like the big guy is coming. You have to start shooting the rage going to kill you. the rage bait theory of advertisements >> and it works because you're like dude like wow is that what the adver I could get a high >> that's what maybe that's what Christian is doing to us with the enhanced games maybe it's like I'm going to do the first one in Vegas and it's like the platoon game thing where everyone's like why do you do this in 90 degree weather

2:37:31 like and he just attracts like all of the best marketers because they're like this is such an easy like this is such a great raw idea it's such an easy logistical fix and so everyone just gives him free They just they give him free advice. They give him free >> because they're just like, "Dude, I like you. I like you." Yeah. Going going back to the boomer thing, it's like I do agree. You don't have to engage them every single time. What you have to do is like one time really prepare and like just totally mo them in the argument. Like prepare the whole like chess line of arguments down. Because the the problem is if you do actually have contact with these people all the time, it will drive you insane if a boomer's like, "Just go in and give the manager a strong handshake, bro. I don't get >> Yeah. You have to like wear wear a GoPro while you go in and like do the strong

2:38:16 handshake." And then you have to watch and then you have to watch the manager like pull a gun on you and say like, "Get out of my office right now or I'm going >> It's the It's the chess equivalent of like you play chess against someone, but you give them like unlimited undos." And you just have to prepare yourself for that like chess game argument enough that you know I can beat you even if you have unlimited undos. >> Dude, I think the problem with this approach is that they actually like I've done this before. I've done the infinite boomer mog where you're just like okay like you're doing uh appeal to like women still exist, right? Like appeal to like jobs still exist. Like all of these these are all like fallacies that have been debunked by the modern economy, right? Uh, and you can beat them, but what happens is they just become

2:39:02 enormously blackpilled for like three days and then their brain refreshes and they forget the entire >> you have to so what you have to do is you have to blackpill them like so hard so so so hard that there's like a permanent scar left on the cycle. >> Yes. And then once you do that, >> once you do that, it doesn't refresh in three days and you could just like press the scar in their button in their brain. Like you just go like remember the one time. >> Well, but this can also result in them just not wanting to interact with you. >> Yeah, that's true. But the problem is, do you really want to have someone interacting with you all the time who's like, uh, dude, you can just shake the manager's hand, man. And that will result in you not wanting to interact with them. They kind of just say like, "Okay, bro." Like, you know, like I kind

2:39:49 of I I you know, it's like I would lose my mind, man. I just >> Everybody has some facet where like when they start talking, it's like I understand you think you know things about this subject, but like you're just you you're completely disconnected and I'm just going to ignore this whole thing, right? >> Yeah, maybe. I I I think you I think the thing is you lose your mind. But I've always been like a very like I'll give it to you straight guy. So if you're not that type of guy, I guess like >> I mean you've seen me. I'm very very much willing to argue with people when I I'm more willing to argue with people when you shouldn't than you are. Like I'm willing to torch relationships over stupid. >> I think it's like the way I do it is like I'll tolerate it a bunch and then

2:40:36 once I'll be like, "All right, I'm going to nuke all your arguments this time." And then like if that doesn't work, I'm totally done. I'm totally out of there. Whereas like >> we're like in this situation that we're in right now because you don't do this is the thing though. >> Like we're this like specific like >> uh Yeah, because this isn't like my thing. >> But like you see you see the problem, right? Like if you actually care about the thing, you can't like take this risk. I think if you actually actually care, you have to take the risk. But you're not. But I don't actually actually care because I'm not actually in the situation, bro. Is the thing.

2:41:21 Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. But the uh the dating app thing is a very good example of one of these pills that all of the boomers don't understand. Like if you're if you were to go and tell them like uh that people have forgotten how cold approaching works like the idea of walking up to someone and saying like >> no it's not just that people have forgotten how it works. It's that like if you do it people will think like you're not supposed to do that like you're not allowed like dating apps have created it's like old school like video games where there's like PvP zones where you're allowed to fight people and there's zones where like if you use a sword on someone it just like bounces off of them or something. And it's kind of like that where like now it's like when people are not in PV like in dating zones which is like a bar. Uh, not even like nowadays you can't

2:42:07 even you're like kind of not even allowed to like do it anywhere even if you're like >> I know that I was waiting when you said when you said a bar I was like I was waiting for you to try and explain to me how it's allowed because like we were just at a nightclub at literally 4 in the morning with everyone hammered and we witnessed it is allowed everybody not trying to get laid. >> So I think the thing is like there's the zone thing which is like you're definitely not allowed to do it like outside of the nightclub. In the nightclub, you're allowed to do it, but people will just look at you like, >> "Bro, are you >> really doing PvP in the PVP zone?" >> Everyone is like praying on your failure, right? Like they all Everyone's just like really confused about what you're trying to accomplish. It's like way worse. It's like, >> "Dude, are you really doing PvP in the

2:42:52 PVP zone, bro? Come on, man. Just like I don't do that, bro." There were there were some of the people there where like uh when one of the guys got hit on like the friend would be like >> well that's what I'm talking about. They're like are you really doing that man? Yeah. They're like >> aren't wheel like above this like it's people who treat uh who treat the dating like it's uh like childish. It's like I think a lot of it though does come down to the fact that at this particular environment it's like if you engage with any of these people it's like they just don't you know like the way the way in which people there was a girl that came up to SA and just did the most like egregious >> dude like it was so >> she literally she came up to him and uh

2:43:38 this was a girl who was like I'm not going to be mean but she was a solid like maybe like four points less attractive than SA uh and she comes up and takes a picture with him and then literally >> like does not Okay, pause. Does not ask for my permission to take a picture of me. Does not like doesn't even like fully say hello to me. Yes. >> Stands in front of him dancing. >> Stands in front of me dancing >> and then like leans to the side, puts her phone. Can you like show like come like show like >> I'm not going to like I'm not going to >> I'm not going to be the girl but like comes like this and goes like puts her phone such that like it looks like I allowed her to take this photo and just takes photo and then and then

2:44:23 >> and then sends it to a group >> and then sends it to No, it wasn't a group chat. it was to her female friend and then she starts like talking about like look at this hot guy I'm with right and it's like all of this like I could see this and SA's right behind her so I like 100% know that SA sees this but then this girl also just like runs away right >> yes dude it was so bizarre man >> and I'm just sitting here thinking like this is like people have this inability to understand that women can be autistic I was Okay, pause. I was skirting around this content because I was like, I can't like do the humble brag so hard where I'm like, the perfect example of this is the girl that came up to.

2:45:08 >> It was just like a textbook example of like the Zoomer society doesn't understand like >> like it doesn't make sense because you're also >> like the goal was the photo. Like the photo was the end goal literally. Like there wasn't like it wasn't like I'm taking the photo and the photo demonstrates that another thing happened and that's really what I'm bragging about. No, the photo was the thing. It's like the simulacra thing where it's like baldardian simulacra like this is what you were here for. You were here for the photo >> and the entire thing is this bizarre inversion where like when I was a young man, right, we would go out to the club and then what you do >> the worst thing was the photo. You didn't want the photo. What you wanted was >> you wanted nobody taking photos of you with any of these girls that you are with this night, right? Like it's not

2:45:54 something like it's you don't want to see it on stage. >> Certainly the girls didn't want the photo. Like in fact, the girls were much like much less wanting the photo than the guys. >> But now you have like I'm going to take I'm going to wear the [ __ ] thing in the universe. I'm going to go out. I'm going to get photographed with guys in a way that >> not I'm going to get photographed. I'm going to photograph myself with a guy in a way in a way that implies certain things, right? And then I'm not going to do any of that. So, it's like they're getting all of the downside. Like you're maxing out downside total value inversion and then you don't have any actual like you don't get the upside of the [ __ ] >> The whole point was like the whole point in the past was like I don't want anyone to know that I did this but I want to do this. That's the whole idea behind like >> sultry and flirting and like sexy and

2:46:42 any of these things >> and it's just total inversion. It's just completely gone. And like I don't even know why it happens really. Like I don't understand like I am clearly the boomer here. I don't understand the incentives for like why someone comes up, takes the picture, sends it to her friend, says, "Oh my god, look at this hot guy I'm with." And then leaves. Like that doesn't make any sense to me. It was also super funny how like uh the other German models we were talking about to them like >> getting the photo taken with them that is sent to the friend or to the group chat >> that was the sex that was the end goal for them it's like the count is like how many girls came up to me embarrassed themselves and like kind of tried to take a photo with me that like implied something and then immediately scured

2:47:27 off. That was the thing. Yeah. It's it's like the meme of uh this happened to me in Taipei once. I went out with this guy who was uh it's like a zoomer who was dating some like Instagram girl, right? And uh when she went to the bathroom, he's like, "Dude, isn't my girlfriend so hot, bro?" And he starts showing me pictures of her on Instagram and I'm like, "That was the thing that we didn't do." Well, I was like, "Dude, like I can see her. Like, she doesn't look like that. Like, she's sitting across the table from us." Oh, that's the thing you're talking about. That's the big one, too, bro. >> I'm like, dude, like I get that, but this is like a like an edited or like it's just not her. Like, I can objectively see her. You're uh you're

2:48:12 trying to have sex with a picture. Like, it's not a person. It's unironically like the camera has become the sexual object. It's like, yeah, it's it's very very bizarre. And you can't explain this. Like, you are befuddled by this. And you were like I could not >> you were an uncharacteristically like in touch with quote unquote the youth. You're not even like that much older than me, but like it's very bizarre for you already. >> Yes, >> it is. I will say the cut off and like the weirdness happened exactly between you and I. >> Yes. Like it like you were literally like I don't think you're the last guy on the chopper out of Nom. I had I had a year of like [ __ ] worked >> uh in my life and like I saw society kind of sort of functioning and then it just all of a sudden like during co like

2:48:57 everything broke like insta giga breaking >> dude co is just like the breaking