Nukes are Good For You, Actually

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00:00 Dude, I don't even think nukes matter at this point. It's like nukes versus like men and women like women like I why is you as a man under 7 ft tall? Like why is you as a girl like hip dips or something like this [ __ ] It's that actually is way more dangerous to society. >> Japan does seem to be struggling more like or Korea certainly is like struggling more under the effects of total gender total gender civil war than under like communism and like recovering from like the Korean war and stuff. >> Yeah, nukes are just not that dangerous theory. Like nukes don't even matter theory, right? Like you you can nuke stuff and it will turn into Japan. Japan

00:46 is like better than 99% of the entire planet. >> Japan is not that bad of an outcome actually. That is like a >> Yeah. Like look at the places that we've nuked and like look at the places that we've inflicted like weird uh like gender discourse or like obesity upon, right? >> Have we nuked anything else than Japan? Am I remembering >> Nukes like only Japan. Like nuke nuking [ __ ] appears to make it better if anything if this is a metric. We should be hoping for We should be hoping that they have nukes >> get nuked, bro. >> Just get nuked theory, right? Like it clearly >> [laughter] >> Welcome back to another episode of the Plausibly Deniable Experience

01:33 brought to you by our sponsors Polymarket, Zcash, Passage Press, and Citizen X. We have another very special episode for you today where I am not dressed up and I'm inflicted with the plague. Sales is very moody. Brief bit of ASMR here while he gives you the nice typing noises from his Apple keyboard. Hear the butterfly switches is Peacefully lulling you to sleep. >> [laughter] >> The Lucas ASMR product, dude. I believe this could be amazing, dude. >> Yeah, I'm going to >> Have you ever considered doing like some ASMR type stuff? >> I've considered a lot of things, Cela. I've considered so much you wouldn't believe. >> [laughter]

02:20 >> But anyway, we have we have a lot of great topics for you today. I think the audience is going to be very excited. >> Real list [laughter] of things that we will be discussing today. And I think the first one is uh I I know you've seen a lot of these people talking about how uh as we all know, you know, every now and then we'll do our dating takes. We'll talk about the importance of height in the world to growing uh growing in numbers of people. But uh as a result of this, everyone has been uh injecting their kids with growth hormone >> hormone to make them taller. >> [laughter] [snorts] >> Yeah. >> To avoid a fate of like total uh manlet death, right?

03:05 And it's one of those things that's kind of like Ozempic in my mind where people are like, "Well, but what about the side effects of Ozempic?" And then if you look at someone who's fat enough, it just becomes instantly clear that it's like it doesn't matter, right? Like it doesn't matter what it Like it could do anything and it it's not worse than this, right? Like My 600-lb life, like no no side effect is worse than that. So uh at a certain height for men also, it's like if you're like 4 ft 2 as a guy like what is So it makes your heart explode at age 45 or whatever. Like If you're short >> I thought usually being tall >> no, I'm saying I'm saying like even if you inject the growth hormone and it makes your heart explode at age 45

03:52 like even if 45 years of living as like a 6-ft tall man will be better than your 90 years of life as a dwarf, right? >> Yeah. I can I can see it. I think there's like an Icarus view here where it's like, "Dude, who cares?" And like the looks maxers talk a lot about this. Like you have to ascend at all costs and this, that, and the other, right? >> Yeah, I mean I think this this particular thing is really funny to me because this isn't like like this isn't like I'm experimenting on myself. This is like I'm experimenting on my 6-year-old. Like that's why I think this is like the best discourse topic ever because it's just uh it's super [ __ ] up. >> [laughter] >> Like it's kind of genuinely evil. The idea that you're going to be saying like

04:39 uh you're making this decision for your kid, right? >> I think it's pretty great. I I think the reality is like if you can use um if you can use something to get an advantage for your kid. I I don't know. It's very strange. It's like, you know, it is this uh Faustian bargain where like, "Who knows? Maybe it gives him cancer 5 years from now." But it's like okay. Like is it worse to be like 5 ft 2 as a man or to have like a 20% chance increased of cancer, you know? And then there's the whole like race to the bottom aspect of it, which is like if everyone else is doing it, right? And we've talked about this. It's like >> Yes.

05:24 >> everyone else is jumping off the bridge. It's like, "Okay, Mom. I understand there's like a 90% chance I die, but like I refuse to be the only guy who's not on the bridge. Like it is actually going to be far worse for me if I'm not on the bridge than if I like and all my friends, you know, even if it is like an obviously stupid level of risk that that have to take." >> I mean, this one this one is just like we've got every single element of social discourse coming in because it's like it's literally paternalistic in so far as like you are you are the parents of this creature of this human being and you're like, I'm going to make the decision for you about like potentially you know, cuz there are uh there are certain people who have

06:09 disorders that just make them under produce growth hormone and so those people would be very short and if you give those people growth hormone, it's like you're not necessary like you're correcting what would have already been like too little growth hormone, right? But what if you're producing the right amount of growth hormone and you're still just not it's like it's only getting you to like 5'7" or something. And you like super juice it. We don't necessarily know what that trade-off spectrum looks like in terms of side effects and uh like there's a lot of people that did this. I think there's a lot of professional athletes even who have had this done and it's probably kind of okay or safe in many cases. But like >> it's also just the enhanced games things, right? Like this is a lot of uh

06:54 what we were talking about at the enhanced games. It's like yeah, it is dangerous, but like maybe who cares? >> But maybe who cares, yeah. It also is uh like I don't know. We we meme'd the height thing so hard that like it is [snorts] actually like what if the cut-off for like like you Okay, you're no longer able to get laid under like 5'2". Like it's just impossible now. Zoomers have decided like this is the line. It's just too too far. Right? Uh what if it creeps up to like 5'5" and then like 5'10" and then like 6'2"? Like what if it's just like in order to be evolutionarily successful, you must be at least 7'6". Um >> Yeah, there is a world where this is the case. >> There is a world and it's like we're

07:39 kind of joking about this, but like uh it's I it's still like a single digit probability outcome in my mind, right? Like, if you meme it hard enough on uh social media, like, it could totally happen. I don't know. >> I I It's just also like everyone is doing it. Like, oh, what all your other like son's friends at school are going to do the thing and you're not going to do the thing for your son. >> he's just going to be an ultra [ __ ] Like, the shortest man in the entire school. They're going to be like, this is And he like, what if he's like 5'10" or something? They're like, he's a dwarf. They're all pointing down at him from like, they're towering like 7 ft above. This is a dwarf. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, and then the last thing is like, the the meme for this used to be you would hold your kid back a year. That used to be the meta. The meta used to be

08:25 like, you held your kid back a year in school. >> Yeah, you like aged him, right? Like, all of all of his peers are just like, they're all 1 year younger than him, and so they don't notice that he's actually like a [ __ ] They all think >> [laughter] >> It was I mean, it was just for everything. It wasn't even like necessarily specifically around height. It was just this idea that like, in general, it is much better to be like a little bit taller, uh to be a little bit older, a little bit more socially developed, everything. Um and like, the trade-offs around whatever were worth it. I know a lot of people who who did this, who were held like, maybe they would have been one of the younger kids, and instead

09:10 they were like, held back a little bit. >> Yeah, I don't know anyone who did this, >> do that? Would you like, hold him back a ton of years so that >> You know, I I know actually a lot of people who did give their kids growth hormone, though. Like, I know a lot of parents who did this at this point. Uh I And I've I've discovered a lot more. Like, I thought I knew like, just one or two, but then I made some posts about this, and I had a bunch of people DM me, and I had like, a couple people I knew in my personal life me like, "Oh, yeah, we're doing this with our kids." Uh which is like it's it's this crazy split where there's like one group of like the wealthy like parenting groups that are like, "You have to do this or you're like irresponsible as a parent and you're dooming your kid to like a horrible life." And the other group is

09:56 like injecting your kids with experimental like Chinese growth hormone to make them taller at unknown side effect risk is actually way more evil than dooming them to being short. And it's like yeah, I don't know you want to make valid >> cases is the other [laughter] thing. Like both of these things are kind of compelling, man. >> Yeah. And then and then there's the other there's like Okay, my my thought now is uh So, I don't know. Like a lot of you guys out there, it's like maybe maybe you've realized you're not you don't have the genes to cut it with like a super short girl. Like you have to date a tall girl or at least a middle-sized girl in order for your son

10:42 not to get made fun of on the playground, right? But uh You add this growth hormone in the mix and suddenly it's like I don't know, you could date some pretty short women if you really think about it. Uh >> Yeah, [laughter] it does open up like a whole it does open up a whole new possibility >> It really does. It is it is like a very real thing actually. Like it it opens up a whole new like dating angle that previously like the meta was like, "Yeah, if you do this, you are obviously very stupid." Um you should not you know, it's like in the same way that like, you know, if you're willing to give your kid crazy growth hormones, maybe you know, you shouldn't date the short girl in like the same vein as this. Like it's the same trade-off basically, right? It

11:27 would be kind of weird to take the trade-off somewhere very like a ton and then not take the trade-off somewhere else uh given that it is like basically the exact same trade-off. >> Yeah. This is something that I've always been like like my girlfriends are substantially taller than average. If I look at them like that's like one of the consistent trends. Uh but it's actually not because I don't like short women. It's just because I'm like uh like I'm manletting my sons. [laughter] Like >> [snorts] >> So uh I wonder I like I've always wondered if I'm crazy for that also. Like there's a lot of guys where if I tell them that, they'll just be like you're mega gay. Like who cares? Just like date about the

12:13 highest >> like or you're hating or what? >> They'll be like no, it's uh they'll be like no, it's gay of you to date women uh because they're taller because that would provide better sons height or something. Like that doesn't matter. Like you should just date people you >> That seems like a really stupid take. >> I feel Yeah, cuz it's also like uh Like what do you mean you want a smart wife? Bro, like you That's crazy, dude. You should just date the dumbest [ __ ] idiot who will tolerate you and have children with you. And then >> Yeah, I'm not buying this one. I'm going to keep it real. Yeah. >> Yeah, I never really bought that one because I don't know. The idea that you're going to have a wife

12:59 and you're not going to think about her impact on your children is sort of tricky for me to square. >> like the one thing you're supposed to >> Yeah. >> think about when you have the wife, right? Is like the >> [laughter] >> impact on the children. >> Yeah. But so so I made this post and uh one of my friends commented and he said like well, I think it's bad if we can artificially juice height because height is positively correlated with a bunch of other traits. And I was like is it though? Like uh I thought I remembered and then I looked it up and there is a uh like in terms of longevity the optimal height to be is literally just 5'8. You are going to live the longest and have the least weird health complications at 5'8 as a man.

13:46 Uh >> But 2 years from now, it'll be impossible to get a woman. >> I know. >> Because everyone's giving the kids HGH, bro. >> So I was like well, I guess this is like the most robust point on the optimization curve, but like uh it clearly is just not the best because another another thing that he pointed out is like IQ scales linearly with height. And it's not like it's not like a one-to-one correlation, but like literally IQ increases with height basically for like the trend never inverts. It just it keeps going up. Is this the >> one of those like the rich get richer things where like if you're good >> like assortative mating and it's just a win more thing associate, yeah.

14:34 Yeah. So if you're optimizing for like just living the longest, I guess, you want to be 5'8, but if you want smarter sons, then you want them to be as tall as possible, but at some point then you get into like incidents of mental illness increasing, right? Um and just a bunch of other aberrant like weird like at a certain point if you're 8 ft tall, it's just such a massive drop in head pressure for your heart to even pump blood up to you. And so you wind up with all these weird [ __ ] health problems like you know the meme of whenever you stand up too quickly and your [ __ ] gets all fuzzy? >> Yes. >> That just happens over very minor things, I guess. It'll

15:19 be like changing position of your body at a certain height. And you just have weird blood pressure fluctuations. Uh I obviously, like I'm describing this completely second or third hand because I am not 9 ft tall or anywhere close to the height where I would be experiencing this stuff. >> is though, right? Like you I mean what would not describing this in second hand even mean? >> Being 9 ft tall. It's like you're Yao Ming. >> Well, it's not the type of thing you can even tell, right? >> Uh I guess, yeah. I guess you don't know that it's You're like guy who walks around with like weird like fuzzy glitches on your eyes all the time and you don't realize that it's abnormal.

16:06 You're like, "Ah, God, I wish being a human didn't involve these like random blackout episodes I have every time I get out of my chair." >> [laughter] [snorts] >> Yeah. >> But yeah, so anyway, if you give the kid growth hormone artificially, you are now papering over this genetic problem of being a manlet, I guess. Uh and passing on genes that I guess are worse for this. But it's like we've been The problem is we've done this with everything. Like this is the big problem. Medicine does this also, right? Like we cure diabetes or whatever. I mean maybe not We can treat diabetes so it doesn't kill you

16:51 instantly. >> We can treat it. We We definitely don't cure it, but it's like uh fixes almost all of the side effects type deal. >> Yeah. So now there's a bunch of diabetics who are reproducing all the time, right? So now the incidence of diabetes in society is like massively higher than it was >> of diabetes is not My intuition is that most of the diabetes is >> like I would I would say, "Yeah, the type three or type but I don't I don't know the types anymore. I completely forgot them. I'm going to be honest with you." Uh but there is a type of diabetes that is actually genetic and that is much more common in society now that we have made it so you don't die for having it, right? Same thing with all vision problems, same things with like you know it's like any any type of deformity you just used to be instant death for you.

17:36 If you had a cleft lip, you're not getting a girlfriend either, right? Like cleft lip is probably way worse than being short if we're being honest with things, but now you just reconstruct it and it's like okey-doke. Ship it, I guess. Uh so our our gene pool has like modern medicine has just completely destroyed our gene pool. This is an OG Ted Kaczynski talking point, too, where he was like, "Something we should consider >> was so ahead of the time and the idea that he's like reduced to some like, "Oh, he's a schizophrenic guy with a cabin in the wood." Like no, he was actually an incredibly smart guy. >> Yeah, he had a bunch of really good memes in general. Like he he and I mean that in in the most serious way. Like I'm not referring

18:21 to like cat memes or something. I'm saying like >> You mean meme is like the base unit of an idea. Like the gene but for idea. >> Basically, yeah. Uh and a lot of them really did well in society. Like a lot of them actually, you know a lot of a lot of the Ted Kaczynski stuff, too, is becoming more and more relevant as we enter this like data center discourse and it's becoming clear that like there is actually like a growing sentiment among the populace to like do the thing that he talked about. Uh and in terms of like >> return? >> Yeah, in in terms of basically like can we destroy all the data centers at the same time or something like that which like I thought we were kind of asking

19:06 >> it's all the people who like didn't like would not like a lot of other Ted I mean we've talked about the Ted Kaczynski >> Yeah, yeah, it's it's like the classic the classic like circle meme where he's he's he's described an idea of like everyone's ideology such that like he's pissed everyone off and everyone also has like a weird way to love him. Like you can make either the right-wing or the left-wing to interpret his ideas. >> interpretable however you want to interpret it. >> Yes, which I guess it's just everyone who doesn't describe themselves explicitly as a Republican or a Democrat. So it might not be that unique now that I'm thinking about it in terms of other philosophers. If we're calling him a philosopher. >> it's pretty unique. >> I guess if we can't call him a

19:51 philosopher, we can't really call anyone a philosopher. Like we certainly can't call ourselves a philosopher and that's something very important and dear to us. >> Ted Kaczynski was clearly a philosopher of some sort. He's just like a I mean, he was like a deeply unwell and insane person in a lot of ways, too. >> But the I mean, it's also totally fair. >> that these things are not correlated is like very stupid. >> Yeah. Yeah, they got him pretty good. But uh anyway. So he sent off a letter to the >> a philosopher is being like a moderately insane unwell person. >> The big thing though that is kind of a question is will any of this stuff matter? Like whenever we're talking about like

20:37 like oh, but like will my kids have the blah blah blah gene or the and it's like this is somebody who is they're single. Right? Or they're like they they don't have like a serious girlfriend and they have no plans to have kids. And it's like dude, we're like probably just going to gene edit fix the problem by the time you even get your [ __ ] together and get married. Is usually my response. >> the best part of the Ted Kaczynski manifesto, again, we talked about this already. It's just like he starts off and he has like three paragraphs on the main thing, which is like technology is bad. Um and then it's like immediately by point five, he's like,

21:23 "Well, the real problem is with >> [laughter] >> He just like hard tax to like women are the problem. >> He's very He's very big on uh women in liberal >> girls have destroyed everything and then medicine and technology uh also destroyed everything, but only because of the women. Uh he hates liberals so much. He He talks about like it's the the the the manifesto goes like technology is bad. And then he goes like, "Well, the real problem is women, actually." And then he goes, "Well, actually leftists all leftists are basically [laughter] women." Like it's just >> And he winds up with this straight to the other. >> It's like leftists lead to technology proliferating misery through women. Like

22:09 >> [laughter] >> it's like a very good uh very good loopty loop. But >> Yeah, it Yeah. >> What What is your specific Do you have any takes on the proliferation of uh Should short people be allowed to live, Cela? >> [laughter] >> There was like a normal way to ask this and you were like racking in your head, "How can I ask this in the least normal way possible?" >> [laughter] >> I would be the greatest uh just like outwardly aggressive and hostile interviewer. Like I would be better than any of these any of these people who have interviewed Donald Trump for like MSNBC or whatever. >> Yeah, it's good that we want to mostly interview our friends cuz we we could be like huge [ __ ] interviewers,

22:54 actually. >> We also offer >> insanely good at this, too. >> interview consulting for anyone who has never been uh for people who've have been softballed interviews, which frankly that's a lot of you. I've been watching some of these founder interviews out here and you are lucky. You are lucky that you are going on your uh >> Your friends thing. >> media. You are lucky that you're going on your VC's media channels because the soon as soon as you step into a real media arena it's going to be a lot tougher. Uh but we can prepare you for that. >> A media arena. [laughter] You can't take yourself that seriously, dude. It's just like really bad. We can't We can't do the thing where like, "Oh, we do media now. So now we call it the arena, bro."

23:39 >> Dude, I think calling every I think calling everything the arena is it's a pretty based meme. It's been around for like what, 10 years? It's just funny. Like it sounds like Beyblade. I like I don't know you you you see it as serious because I think the first time you ever heard anyone talk about like, "Oh, like I'm in the arena." Like it was Silicon Valley like base sell founder stuff. But like I think of it like it's like Beyblades to me. Like I'm in the arena, dude. Like I'm in the Beyblade stadium. Like it it sounds deeply deeply unserious to me when people say in the arena because I've heard I don't know. Like I think I first heard this from people who were just like injecting themselves with like random vitamins to see if it made them feel happier less depressed or something

24:24 uh in like a chronic illness forum. They're like, "Oh, well like at least I'm in the arena trying things." >> [laughter] >> I I think the the problem with media is that it should basically be done and I'm entirely talking our bone book here. But like media should always be done as like a boutique thing. Where it's like you and your friend. You know what I mean? >> Well, I mean of Of I know what you mean. In this specific instance. >> [laughter] >> The problem with trying to do media in any other way, like literally any other way, is it always ends very, very poorly. Um you it it's very difficult in

25:11 my opinion to scale it as an actual business model. Um I don't know. I I have respect for the people who are trying to do it, but I think it's incredibly difficult. Incredibly, incredibly difficult. Like maybe one of the hardest things to do is to try to run media as like {quote} a business. >> How do we feel about Lucas's outfit today? >> It's not quite the standards uh It's not quite the standards we've been used to, is it? >> I'm going We're going through like a heat wave, I think, in the country. And it's coinciding with me having like this fever that makes me feel like it's always 20° colder than it is. And so I've just been like leaving the windows open and staying outside the whole time. And everyone's been like "Oh, it's so hot and humid. And like did

25:57 you see that new article that says it's like we're just as humid as the Amazon rainforest right now? Like that's so awful." And I'm like "Dude, this is the greatest. Like this is unbelievable timing for me. Like I would be so miserable. I would be requiring so many comforters and like weird uh like I'm not one of those guys. You know, like some There's some girls that you you're just like uh like uh it's a little chilly today, is there a blanket around here? And she just produces She's like, "Would you like this one?" Or she's like, "This is my blanket cabinet." And she's like, "Oh, this is the closet too where I have extras." There's [laughter] like just I don't have any. Like I have like one comforter. And if my one comforter is not the the proper warmth

26:42 then it's over for me, right? And So yeah, I don't know. I've been very happy with the weather. >> Dude, I think I've just uh I have no explanation for like both of our repeated health problems and I'm turning to Peteism in the same way that like people in Latin American dictatorships where nothing makes sense turn to like religion very deeply. Um I just kind of have accepted I don't understand what is going on and why my health is not like why I'm getting sick a lot in a way that never used to happen for me. Uh so I just kind of have given up on understanding it. >> because I was mega-dosing this copper peptide which just cross competes with

27:27 zinc and ruins your immune system if you like mega-dose it. And I never really like I never really considered that until I was like, "Wow, I've been getting sick a lot since I've been taking this thing." And I was like, "Fuck." Like this was another one of those things where I was like, "Grock, like tell me what all the people on the internet are using for the dose of this." And then it told me it and I came back and was like, "That sounds good. I'll just double that." >> [laughter] >> Guy taking experimental guy taking experimental thing takes too much of the Like this is just the This is the canonical like why you should not do experimental stuff on your own, right? I guess doctors win this

28:13 round. Do you feel like doctors have have owned you epically this time or no? >> Not at all, man, because I just was like the result of this is I learned about the uh I learned about the relationship between copper and zinc in the human body and now I won't do this again. And now I have podcast content. So it whenever whenever someone is like, "Oh, should I try GHK-Cu?" It's like, "Yeah, uh maybe. I guess if you want to reduce inflammation, but uh here's what I think about the dosing." Whereas before they would ask like, "What dose should I use?" And I'm like, I don't know man, I just asked Grok and then doubled it. Uh >> [snorts] >> Did that work for you? Just like ask Grok and double it? >> I mean I was like copper dude, like how bad can

29:00 it be really? Like it's just a metal bro. Why not? Like I I'm I've probably gone years, decades getting too little copper. I can probably just double it safely for a while. And and okay, the other problem is if we're being totally honest, like we're being totally honest here. Uh I also just I also just like stopped dosing it regularly and I would start being like ah [ __ ] I missed like all of last week. Let's do the whole thing in one dose, right? Which is like just obviously wrong. Like there's no medicine that you would ever take this way. It's obviously wrong and dangerous. And uh like just don't do like this isn't medical advice. >> licensed doctors.

29:47 >> No dude, this isn't like that's the thing. Like every single person who is not a doctor on the internet also knows that this is a bad idea. This this is like reinventing IQ or something. Right? Like we're not You don't need to be a doctor to know like when you Google the recommendations and guidelines for like using a supplement, you don't just like double it and then randomly like 7x it after doubling it, right? You know? >> Yeah, that doesn't seem like the best way to do it necessarily. >> Yeah, and I also just never put together that it was like that was when I was feeling bad. Uh but I think I think there's some lag on like how it uh prevents you from absorbing zinc or using zinc, which is

30:34 relevant to your ability to do immune system blah blah blah stuff. Uh anyway, guys >> the The that's always been very scary to me is how little we understand the human body and then we're doing all these things that are like every single thing we're doing is like not like doesn't follow the grandma heuristic. You know what I mean? >> I mean I guess but we are kind of in like a weird I don't know. It's like the classic supplement case is you're like oh you should just eat real food and it's like okay well you can eat real food or whatever but you literally just can't get enough magnesium. Right? Like we farmed it out of the soil. It's gone. You know? Like you're you're going to have to like recreate the soil conditions of like the 1400s for just eat real food bro to be

31:20 providing you with the natural holistic balance of things. >> [laughter] >> I like this is just this is like the remineralize your toothpaste You got to remineralize your toothpaste bro. You don't get it. >> have to eat You have to go on like a world historic uh terraforming project. Like we have to rip the dirt off of the earth and like remix it with a series of like 92 vitamins and minerals before we can continue living in this way. Yeah. [snorts] >> Be your own doctor. Be your own etc. It's like the new level is be your own

32:05 soil. >> Dude, billionaires are all getting to this point too where they're realizing like [ __ ] like if I want to get like healthy food I basically have to become a subsistence farmer also? And then >> all doing Mark Zuckerberg's like I'm doing my own beef but to do my own beef I had to do my own like nut trees but to do my own nut trees I also had to do like my own special just rebuild everything from ground zero up. >> Well, and he wasn't even targeting he wasn't even targeting the uh the healthiest beef. He was targeting like the [ __ ] that he thought tasted best, right? Whereas you have guys like Bryan Johnson who are trying to like optimize some sort of a health marker or like a lipid profile on animals and he's just like,

32:52 [ __ ] like I have to like import this weird strain of grass from Europe that only grow but it's now I need this soil condition I need to and it just becomes literally like you are managing 100 trillion different variables. Uh and like half of these things cannot support themselves in your actual like, you know, it's like if you were to just go and plant uh like a macadamia nut plant in the middle of Kansas. It's like it won't live, right? You have to like recreate some other biome. So you now have like a weird controlled greenhouse for all of this stuff. Uh this is like all billionaires are just creating their own microbiomes is what I'm saying. It's like they're doing

33:37 Minecraft. Everyone is just scaling Minecraft. [snorts] >> Everyone is doing Minecraft. >> [laughter] >> I think it's kind of cool, but this is this is my argument when people are like, you should just eat like how your grandma said. Because you can actually just get >> It is kind of worrying the idea that you have to do everything yourself. Is actually very worrying. >> Well, the thing the thing that's very impressive is the degree to which humanity can be exposed to just like absolute poison and still truck on. That's I think the coolest part. Everyone's like, oh my god, like the fertility levels and the T levels are so low. And it's like, and yet we still reproduce. And yet under these

34:22 conditions there are still children. Like >> [laughter] >> Like [snorts] the average person today is a drug addict basically by any sort of uh like historical norms. I mean, I guess there was a brief period in like what, like the 18-somethings when we invented like cocaine and heroin and we were just prescribing them for like headaches and nonsense like that. But like, we are I think the funny the really funny thing about that is like it's not even like everyone is a drug addict in some like crazy way. It's like everyone is a drug addict in like you have to like like eating Doritos is like the equivalent of being an insane drug addict, basically. Yeah, you're imbibing like a weird

35:08 cocktail of substances that had never existed before with each chip. Each drop of dust that falls onto your jeans contains like 152 synthesized chemicals that didn't exist before the year 1962. Like, it's an entirely novel historical complex that is covering your jeans. A lot of people get very worried about like I don't know. I I think it's really weird the way people worry or don't worry about things. Um Well, okay. Speaking speaking of worrying or not worrying, Sales. Uh you never asked you never answered my question. Are you or are you not worried about the proliferation of short genes throughout the human race knowing that

35:54 they may be associated with things like lower overall IQ than the tall genes? >> I think it would be very narrow to say I'm worried about the short genes. I'm more worried that we seem to be experimenting on seven different things at once. Like, we're trying literally everything and we're just saying let's see what happens, dude. Like, it's not the soil changing or the human growth hormone changing or the way we do work and dating and reproduction. It's let's literally hit every knob on the button at once and just see what the [ __ ] happens. And I do think humans are very adaptable and very resourceful and you know, God knows that like we've survived a ton of crazy stuff.

36:39 But my my other view is like we are getting close. Like we're clearly getting close because we were pandemifying we're pandemifying ourselves, right? Like we are stopping society and the world is very fragile. Like I just have this very core like it I'm I'm struggling because I don't want to say the word conservative, but like this is one of the conservative things is like society is fragile, don't [ __ ] with it in in too many ways at once or like at least be very mindful about the way you're [ __ ] with it. And it's like we discovered nukes. Like if you were running an AB test and halfway through you discovered that if you, you know, if you find these rocks and you enrich them in a way that like

37:24 pretty much any physics, any bachelor of physics guy can figure out with publicly available textbooks. Uh you can create massive amounts of destruction. Or viruses. Like right now, it it is not that hard to create an incredibly dangerous virus, for example, either. Like let's put it this way. If I had an ant farm and I was like a kind of sadistic kid, you know, and you're like, I'm going to run a bunch of experiments on the ant farm, okay? And you invent, I don't know, you like put a giant boulder that like removing one twig destroys the entire colony, okay? That would be like a big thing. That's like, "Wow, I'm going to watch this for the exact same time as 10% of the entire like rest of

38:12 the time that I've looked at the thing uh just because I've done this one change. Whereas the way we're running it seems to be like, "Okay, we watch it for like a minute and they're like, "Okay, I'm bored of the boulder. Let's introduce grasshoppers now." And then it's you keep changing things over and over without giving the the system time to stabilize. So, I don't know. It's like kind of soy. This this does not pass the gigachad opinion. The gigachad opinion is clearly like just keep adding things and see what happens, dude. Uh >> The gigachad opinion is like, "Dude, you missed the whole week's doses. Just do it in one go." Yeah. Sometimes the gigachad opinion is dumb. Like, that's the problem, >> [laughter] >> right? Like

38:57 You're like, "Haha, like I'm [ __ ] maxing, bro." And then it's like you're like, "Fuck, I have I have the flu for a week. No." >> Yeah. >> They never show you They never show you when they're like, "Yeah, bro, you've got to be [ __ ] maxing. You've got to be out here >> Yeah, they never show you the retards who don't make it do that. >> Right. Like, that's what I'm trying to display for you all, right? Like, I could very easily have just like lied and been like, "Yeah, I don't know. I'm just sick because we travel all the time." And it's like, I'm going to be real. Like, I think it might be related to the way that I megadosed this thing that makes your immune system bad uh for not really any reason, either. Like, it was mostly just because like pure laziness. Um

39:42 cuz I was like, "Duh, dude, like I don't want to inject this stuff every day. That's a pain in the ass." Uh >> [laughter] >> Ugh, I have to inject this. I have to like remember, bro. >> Yeah, it also like the idea that part of my morning routine, like I'm making my TikTok influencer thing, and it's like I have to walk to the refrigerator, pull out my little goofy peptide kit, and then inject myself in the stomach with like 1 mg of copper stuff. Just seems like now I'm a I'm a robot person. Like this isn't real. I don't want I don't want to include it in my And everyone literally like this this is the funniest part, man. The like the

40:27 most well-meaning people in my replies when I posted about this they were like, "Have you thought about just like tracking and like dosing this regularly like a normal person?" Like they didn't even say like you idiot. They were just like, "Have you just thought about like doing it the way that everyone else suggests on eating?" And it's like I have. Like I'm going to be honest. Like I have. >> [laughter] >> That trade-off is not acceptable to me. Like yeah, I I guess I could be more healthy, bro. But like who cares about that, dude? >> [laughter] >> I've ascended. I've ascended past your routines. I'm a creative, bro. Like I operate on it's just other stuff that just doesn't

41:13 work. This is another one of those like you're old now and you realize like, "Yeah, you just have to do schedules. You have to have a regular repeatable day. You can't stay up until 3:00 in the morning drinking with your friends anymore because now it destroys the next day and you actually have to do things the next day because you're an adult now." Like just all of these things. Like you just have to be more normal as an adult. It's what I what I like every time you go against this rule as you get older, you God just smites you in some extremely embarrassing way. Like they force you to use a green screen as a blanket while you podcast to people telling them like, "Guys, like take your vitamins properly so you don't get sick. Like this is what's happening." >> I think the green screen looks great, man. >> I think the green screen looks amazing.

41:59 >> Well, we don't know if it looks great or not because the editor might key it out with like uh He might He might just like replace it with like a scrolling tessellation of our podcast logo or something else that looks much worse. There's no way to know what's what it's going to be, right? >> That would actually be super funny. >> But like I just kind of look like a wizard now. I either I either look like a very sick person or a wizard. My mind is coping me into the wizard option. >> [laughter] >> Um I'm optimistic. I think you can pull it off. >> This is like your friend saying like, "Yeah, like the bangs look great on you, queen." >> [laughter] >> No, I actually I actually do think it

42:45 looks good unironically, man. >> What if I What if I get a green screen and I cuz I'm going to be making an actual studio in the next like 2 days or so. Uh What if I >> understand why you're doing the studio because you are just leaving. Like >> [laughter] >> Well, because I'm leaving to go to the place where I'm making the studio. But then yeah, I mean It's like whatever. Dude, it's just Let me make my nest. Like this is the male equivalent of a nest. Like >> But you're doing the nest and then you're leaving, bro. It's like what are you doing the nest [laughter] for? It's like, "I'm going to work [snorts] really hard on my nest." Like you just see a bird doing the nest like a week before migration season. >> [laughter]

43:31 >> Dude, it's it's genetic. I'm a I'm a genetic podcaster. Let me make my nest, man. Like >> [laughter] >> This is a This is the podcasting version of a man cave. The studio. The studio nest. >> I suppose. I don't know, dude. I'm not totally sold here. I'm going to >> Okay. >> I'm going to give it to you very honest with you. >> You think we're completely destroying the human race? Uh by genetically engineering everything accidentally. Which is probably true. Uh >> We're certainly tempting fate, man. >> Well, it it appears like I think fertility is kind of like the ultimate indicator of this and fertility's been going down for multiple generations. So, like I think it isn't even like this generation. I think it's like at some point like 80 years ago, we did

44:18 something that kick-started a cascade that is now speed running zero. >> Dude, everyone wants to be a weirdo. Have you noticed that? Everyone wants to like in one flavor or another uh be very strange. >> Well, this is another way in which the like autists, incels, whatever on the internet, they just totally won. They just completely won. Like normie is now just like And there are there are even people that tried to defend normie and say, "Oh, no, actually it's good and based to be normies." These people all just got like rhetorically debunked. They lost every single argument, man, and now it's just like normie is actually an insult. Like a normie will call another normie a normie as an insult. And the the other normie will feel pain as they get called a normie. They will

45:04 sit there [snorts] reeling. writing around >> [laughter] >> I don't know. I think we're experimenting with too many things. I think it's possible that we it just ends up fine. Um But if it ends up it's going to be like one of those like, "Okay, dude, so we invented this like supercomputer and it got us just in the nick of time, man." Like we were about to grenade the whole human race, but then it was like you have to do this have to do this have to do this have to do this. Nuclear war doesn't end human civilization, but it does make your entire quality of life 1 trillion times worse. >> Dude, I don't even think nukes matter at this point. It's like nukes versus like uh nukes versus like men and women like

45:49 women like I why is you as a man under 7 ft tall? Like why is you as a girl like what hip dips or something like this [ __ ] It's that actually is way more dangerous to society. seem to be struggling more. Like or Korea certainly is like struggling more under the total gender total gender civil war than under like communism and like recovering from like the Korean war and stuff. Yeah, nukes are just not that dangerous theory. Like nukes don't even matter theory, right? Like you you can nuke stuff and it will turn into Japan. Japan is like better than 99% of the entire planet.

46:35 >> [laughter] >> Japan is not that bad of an outcome actually. That is like a good >> Yeah. Like look at the places that we've nuked and like look at the places that we've inflicted like weird uh like gender discourse or like obesity upon, right? >> Have we nuked anything else than Japan? Am I remembering >> Nuked like only Japan. Like nuke nuking [ __ ] appears to make it better if anything if this is the metric. We should be hoping for We should be hoping that they actually get nuked over there. Just get nuked, bro. Just get nuked theory, right? Like it clearly I mean, yeah, like if you die in the nuclear blast, it's kind of over, but also this is like this is like top 99.98%

47:21 percentile ways to be killed because you are just instantly vaporized and you don't feel anything. Like I mean, it's a really light so I can't I can't like tell you for sure, but like based on everything that I've read about it, it's pretty fast. >> There is a very specific range in which it sucks. Very bad. >> Or you could always you could always have like one of those like super inconvenient long tail outcomes where like the nuclear blast does not kill you, but like you're just outside of the blast range and like a huge rock comes and it just like crushes your shoulder, right? And you're just crippled forever. Like that would suck. >> It's not even that. It's like a huge nuclear blast comes and you now have radiation poisoning. Congratulations on

48:07 your cancer, sir. That's a pretty bad outcome as far as I'm concerned. >> I I haven't read up on radiation poisoning enough. It's like I read up on radiation poisoning and it's like uh the only studies on radiation study on radiation poisoning in humans come from people who have used copper peptide GHK-Cu at irregular dosing schedules because this >> [laughter] >> specific Don't do the thing >> of copper gives off alpha radiation when injected at this dose. >> [laughter] >> It's just >> [snorts] >> Like I thought I was sick the whole time and I just have been radiation poisoned. Like it's some weird Fallout thing. That would make the green screen funnier.

48:52 It's like this is now like I'm glowing. Like I'm radiating. Radiating alpha particles. >> Please, let's not become one of those like gimmick gimmick uh >> [laughter] >> The editor like I don't know and the editor has like put like Lucas in like a unicorn suit or something. >> I mean it would be really funny if like I'm actually dying of radiation poisoning and like haha like this is >> [laughter] [laughter] [snorts] >> You brought up something the other day. Okay, we're not going to do we're not going to do a gender war episode. We're going to do a we love women episode, okay? >> Okay, we can do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You brought this up the other day that the woman told you, "My friends are all

49:37 hot." And you you did like you did the eye roll. You did, "Yeah, I'm sure they're all beautiful queen." >> Yeah, queen. I'm sure >> are all beautiful. Every one of your friends is so perfect and great. Whatever. Whatever. >> [laughter] >> And and then like the first one of her friends comes over and it's just the most gorgeous woman I've ever seen in my entire life. Uh and I'm just [laughter] like Like I I had to like step behind a wall to like start laughing because I was so [laughter] confused. Because [snorts] I've only when when a girl has friends that are like actually uh actually this attractive, um they're always described in just some other way, right?

50:23 >> Yeah, usually that does seem to be the case. >> Yeah. And and then like the next one and it was just like they're all she was just like right. Like all of her friends are just like epic. And uh I was just sitting I I like I wanted to tell her like, you know, you're supposed to describe your friends differently. Because you describe them the way that people describe their fat friends. Uh and so every time you describe them to people, they they probably think that you would just hang out with a bunch of fat women. Uh >> What do you mean by this? I'm I'm totally lost. I have no idea what you mean, actually. >> W- Well, like, you know, if a girl says like, "Yeah, like all my friends are so pretty. Like they're so like you just assume that she's talking about fat

51:10 women, right? Because that's >> Whenever they say pretty in that tone, yes. >> Yeah. So like you just have to describe them differently. Like you just have to. You're [snorts] like and I don't think she realizes that. I Like she's just obviously trying to be genuine, but she doesn't realize that by being genuine, she's pooling herself with a bunch of other people who are lying. >> It's a very specific way of saying the word pretty that is what sets sets off my uh I'm beginning to suspect they may not be that good-looking vibes in my head. >> Another thing I'm realizing is that I have a uh Ah, it's like when guys get really mad

51:55 They're like, "Oh, she called me cute, bro. It's over." Uh I've just never thought that it was that bad of a word to be called. Um it's never had like a super negative outcome for me, actually. >> What do you mean? Like being called cute? >> Yeah. Like I I think this is one of those things where guys would have a bunch of internet memes where they said like if she calls you cute, that's like she friend-zoned you and it's over. You have to to honor kill yourself now. Like >> I don't think it's good, but I don't think cute is like the kill shot that it used to be. Here's the thing, okay? We do this thing all the time as humans where we run out of words. Uh like we we use words in certain ways,

52:40 but it's like are you going to call a guy that you like you're just hitting on for the first time hot? It's like a little I don't know. It's a little desperate word. >> It Hot is just such a weird bad word now. Like y'all you're [ __ ] hot, bro. >> Yes. >> Like it's just it sounds too uh >> It doesn't seem very classy to call someone hot. >> Yeah, and like handsome is also like weird. Handsome is another weird one. It can It can feel very mom-coded. It's like >> Yes, if a girl calls you handsome, low-key it's like it's it's a little weird. You feel a little patronized, no? It's like you're very handsome. >> I wouldn't say it's patronizing necessarily, but it it just like I do just think back to being 7 years old and

53:27 like imagining a bunch of middle-aged women leaning down at me saying, "What a handsome boy." Right? Like >> [snorts] >> which is not like Sometimes that's exactly the vibes you want from a woman, right? Some guys, like that's exactly what gets you off. >> So, [snorts] I will never understand and have never understood the [ __ ] like mommy-dommy thing. >> Cael is an alpha male, so he doesn't get it, obviously. >> No, I'm not an alpha male, man. I just I don't get it, you know? >> Cael is a beta, then. >> [snorts] >> Cael is a beta. >> [laughter] >> I very simply do not understand the appeal of like I want a mom. Like, I I don't know. Maybe I

54:12 just have a mom, bro, so I've never felt the appeal because I simply have a mother. But, like >> I do think I do think the idea of these people developing these like weird uh It's like the mom thing, like the sister thing, but it's like you have these like It's one thing if you just don't have a sister, right? Like, if you have a sister thing, but you have zero sisters, it's kind of fine, I guess. Cuz you're It's like it's an imaginary thing to you. But, if you actually have a sister and then you develop >> actually have a sister, I think it immediately feels super [ __ ] weird for someone to say that to you. >> It's also like at some point, like what if the sister finds out about your sister thing, right? Like >> [laughter] >> It's just like that makes Thanksgiving

54:57 so weird. And it's like she'll probably understand that it's just some weird thing that the internet did to your brain and that you don't you're not like in love with her, but like she might not. Like, she might not get it. >> [laughter] >> And now you have to explain it to her. And there's zero percent >> used to be that like none of these people actually have like a sibling and that's why. But, now I realize I have to account for the fact that like most people do have a mother. >> [laughter] >> And so, it's like Like, how do I account for that? Like, I I don't know. [snorts] I don't get it. >> It's like I run the numbers and just like mathematically, right? It's like uh most people do have a mother and they seem to be okay with this mother thing, which is really weird to me. >> I do I will say I don't think most of

55:42 the people call their mother mommy, so they've created like a new character. >> I don't think anyone seriously calls. I hope not, man. >> This is a thing in the South though. I have noticed a lot of like there's like a lot of like mommy and daddy calling in the South. That people Those words were ruined by the internet. >> [laughter] >> Like a lot of like perfectly normal speech now has been totally ruined. >> Yeah, it's like you take you take like the average dad talking to his daughter in like the '60s and like every other sentence he says to her flags some sort of like modern like porn detection algorithm thing. >> Yeah, like YouTube scenes just getting cut and it's like just a wholesome like

56:28 >> Yeah. Yeah, it is pretty over actually. Now that I think about this. >> No, okay, look. I think that's like a weird freak thing. Here's here's my controversial opinion for the day that's like actually slightly controversial also, at least in my opinion. Um we need to embrace trad, okay? Which is like it's super like it's like the lame meme, bro, but like we do. We need to embrace trad, dude. Um which parts of trad? >> You got to try it out. So this is always the thing. Like everyone's like dude, I really want to return to tradition. And then you list off like 10 traditions and they're like I like those four, those other six are bad.

57:14 >> Now, you have to bite the whole you have to there's no like build your own tradition. That's not a real thing. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. So it's like the internet has to go back is what you're saying basically. Or are you going to do the thing where like no no no no, I mean like the whole tradition, but like we can keep the internet, like >> [laughter] >> I I do think like the the Asian countries have made like a very good case for they've managed to make an incredibly good case for >> Bro, they don't reproduce. They don't reproduce. >> Yeah, but I think I think they're ahead of the curve. I think it's like they have worse conditions, but they they understand what needs to be done in theory.

57:59 >> What do you mean? >> Like they are the only people who are >> thing that needs to be done is reproduce. Like it's the only [laughter] thing. >> Yeah, but they're the only people who are like willing to do the tough things that like reproducing implies. Like no one else is willing. >> What? >> No one else is willing to >> do? >> I think they're willing to like take extremely authoritarian measures and whatnot. >> But towards what end? They they like they don't reproduce. Like they're like I've I've authoritarianly banned like women's erotica. And it's like awesome, but they're still not reproducing. >> I think there's a chance they'll they'll make it work, man. I'm opt- I'm like very cautiously optimistic.

58:45 I want to believe. Dude, let me believe in something, okay, man? I'm just asking I'm going to live in a >> I guess I guess the problem with this is like I'm just seeing I'm seeing guy in like uh guy who's like on some stock He's on some stock subreddit, man. It's like the stock's been going down for like 7 years straight, and he's like, "Dude, like these guys are [ __ ] cooking, bro. Like trust me. I've I've met these boys. I've hung out at their headquarter like five times. I wouldn't fade them. Like I'm buying more here. Right? But it's just like [laughter] >> Yes, that's me with trad, bro. >> The stock's been going down for like 7 >> Yes, I admit it, bro. >> [laughter]

59:30 >> I admit it. Yes, that is me with trad. Yeah, man. >> [snorts] >> What do you like Yeah, man, that's me. That is me with trad, bro. What do you want me to do about it, okay? >> I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's it's also just clear though that like uh like we either have to like full send trad or we have to like hope that a supercomputer can like gene edit us out of like nine holes simultaneously. Like either we only really have two options. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm not super optimistic with regards to the seven-dimensional [ __ ] gene editing, bro.

1:00:15 >> I know also because everything that we've done clearly has decreased our fertility. And uh it's like if we gene edit, why would we assume that this won't also affect our fertility? You know? Like we're going to start selecting for IQ or like ability to make income or like height or all of these things from like sperm and embryos. And then uh fertility will probably also be negatively affected, I guess. Un- unless like all good things are associated with positive fertility, but it doesn't appear to be that way because we've been selecting against it thus far. If it's possible to like do your own little self-contained thing, then the Mormons are just going to giga take over.

1:01:00 Do you think it's like the Mormon century? Like the Mormons just turbo win everything? >> The thing that I'm most impressed with the Mormons for is the fact that they managed to create within the actual like modern era a new religion. They managed to get buy-in for a cultural mythos uh recently. Like that's that's the peak of believing in something, right? Like you got people to believe in something and you actually got a bunch of successful rich people to believe in something. So, they clearly have sauce of some sort, right? Like this is uh Like it's just so hard to do, man. Like imagine Imagine if I were to tell you not spinning up a cult. This is like an actual religion. Like this is an institutionalized religion that is recognized by multiple countries

1:01:46 and it's like you have Like these people are like tax-exempt in the US and like it's it's a like a religion. It's not a cult. Uh If I were to tell you to start a religion, it's like dude, I like I think we're both pretty good at storytelling and like pulling [ __ ] out of our asses. I don't think we could do it actually. Maybe I'm underselling ourselves. I think starting a religion is like another level of It's like one of the most insane oramogs of all time. It's like charisma god of all time if you do this. >> Yeah. I Do you think Brian Johnson has what it takes? >> I don't think so. I actually I I like Brian Johnson a lot, but I don't actually think he's a charisma god necessarily. >> Mhm.

1:02:31 >> I also think that starting a it's such a weird Like it's not just like you have to be good at like telling sto- but it's like you have to be very good at like seeing the way in which groups of people will self-arrange under given incentive structures in a community and like imposing these and gradually changing them as the thing scale. Like it's just so it's it's so much harder I think than building a company. >> Um yeah. I I'm not sure. I think it's very very very difficult. I think the problem with Brian is like it's too rooted in rationality, right? I think the the EAs

1:03:16 were better at it. Um The EAs are kind of like a Protestant spin-off though in in a lot of ways though, right? >> A lot of the AI stuff I've started seeing more and more as like a religion, I think. Like any >> thing with their religion is like the Messiah is making things happen. Like >> Yeah. And I mean a lot of this like if you say I If you say to the average person like yeah, we're basically developing the supercomputer machine God that will just fix it all. This is essentially like and then Jesus will come and perform miracles to some degree, right? Like people may believe it more or less, but it's it's the same

1:04:01 like deus ex machina that comes in and fixes everything. Anyway, so all of Europe right now also is like afflicted by a mega European heatwave that I guess we're getting some of too, right? But Europe just doesn't have air conditioners. There's a lot of people also uh people that I talk to in my real life appear to not really know that Europe doesn't believe in air conditioners. And so if you say this to them, they they just >> Almost no one has realized how over it is for Europe. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Like it's It's very weird. I'm like watching this very clear car wreck. Um Like and the car is wrecked. But the the

1:04:46 the the crash site is there and the people are still like like moving the wheel in the car and like arguing about the radio. Like >> Yeah. >> Do you not get that feeling? >> I think I think the worst example is when it's like you're you're seeing these people who work at a company where uh it's like the founder just made an announcement that reads to everyone else is like, "We're out of runway. Like, it's over." And there's like the 10 employees who are like they like completely just misread it as like, "Our fearless leader has come to like boost our morale. Like, I'm so excited."

1:05:33 >> [laughter] [snorts] >> And like that's that's how I feel like a lot of people who haven't really kept tabs on Europe are feeling about uh the situation over there. But like the other thing with Europe is like it's not even that they're too poor to afford AC units, it's that they have like an ideological opposition towards using power. They're like, "We believe so strongly in green energy that like we will just die in the heat." And like you can do the thing where you cope and say like, "I'm equally as efficient with and without AC. I don't need AC. Like,

1:06:18 I'm a big strong man. Like, I have I have a circulatory system that can handle it." Literally yeah, it's literally just like this is just wrong. We have a bajillion studies at this point that say like, "We can actually correlate the performance drop in your brain to the temperature at this point." Like, it's just a super studied science. This is why Lee Kuan Yew said the first thing that he's he's doing with Singapore is like, "We're [ __ ] ACing everything because this country is too hot for anyone to think. Like, no one's doing any productive work here unless we get this [ __ ] handled." Uh I had a I had a tweet about this the other day. Libs love doing this thing like, "Dude, what if we just did Singapore, man? Like, isn't aren't things in Singapore great?" And it's like, "Okay, do you want to implement

1:07:03 any of the policies in Singapore?" And it's like Ah. [sighs] >> Not really, bro. >> I think I think at this point they have started like cuz they never used to point to Singapore as an example of anything good that I remember, right? Like I think what happened is they started asking like AI what countries have like socialized health care or something like that and it started returning Singapore. >> went down the list and they're like, "Which ones aren't total disasters?" >> [laughter] >> Yeah, and so they just started but I I think cuz you know all of all of the talking heads news never used Singapore as an example of like a left-wing success before, right? >> A lot of them have given up. A lot of them are just like, "Yeah, bro. Do the Singapore thing."

1:07:50 >> Well, it's just like absolute total fascism, the country. Right? Like they There is so many There are so many things about Singapore >> willing to be like, "Yes, total fascism, bro." >> I have an old friend who went to Singaporean prison for a brief period there and he gave me uh he gave me some funny insights, one of which was that uh they have very strict rules against male-on-male touching. They're very anti-homosexuality with the exception of Malays uh who they They're just like, "These people are fruity. Like we They just have to touch each other." So, >> This ethnic group is allowed. >> Yeah, yeah. It's like they have like a specific racial exception for like one people that are allowed to like be touchy with each other in prison because

1:08:36 it's just known that they're fruity, right? Like this is a level of social technology that it's like America has completely lost. Like we would never have >> It's literally just not even allowed to do this. You're like not allowed to be like, "I'm going to do different things with different people based on race." >> But it's just so obvious also that if this was like American law, you would just say, "Yeah, Dominicans are allowed to like do this with each other in prison. It's not sex. They're just touching people. Right? Like >> [snorts] >> I'm not so sure this would fly. But maybe. Well, I I don't think it would fly, but I'm saying like that's what you like that's what we would do if we were Singapore. Like that's what we would do if we were a real country.

1:09:21 Um Certainly if the US was like {quote} and I hate this, but like a live [snorts] player. Meme meme words. >> Yeah, if we were in the arena. If we were a live player in the arena. How many of these How many of these things do you think we could string together before we just get like struck by lightning? The amount of sentences of just like SF meme words, yeah. >> Probably a lot, dude. Probably a lot. >> I think you can do You can probably do a crazy high amount. Well, the other Okay, the other thing that Singapore also does that's really funny is uh they don't have trial by jury. They have trial by one guy. Because they have basically three major ethnic groups in their country. And they know that all of

1:10:07 them like they will just vote racially as it as a jury. So, they were like well, if we if we have a jury trial, then everyone will just vote for the guy that looks like them and against the guys that look not like them. So, what we're going to instead do is have a bunch of 120 plus IQ judges. And these people we have vetted and they can act in a fairly unbiased way despite like the average person's proclivity towards racial bias. So, we have these like unbiased judges. And they will just unilaterally decide court outcomes. But like the funny thing is like >> [snorts] >> they are also like kind of petty, I've heard. So, if you like piss off [snorts]

1:10:53 your like one judge or you you do something that goes against like uh one of his like personal things. Uh it's like he he he might not racially discriminate against you, but like you might still get like Giga smited in some other way. Uh I don't know. Funny system over there. >> I don't know. I think it's uh Asia is like the only I don't know. Asia is not good in all these ways, but it is the only place where people are still trying to do something kind of. No? [snorts] >> Just coming up with like increasingly uh just increasingly bleak outcomes on things where it's like uh you know, the basis for like Lucas to be white-pilled was now like

1:11:39 I found this girl. I'm in love with her. Like we're going to get married. And now it's like Dude, I had zero gay thoughts in the last 24 hours. >> [laughter] >> The art of lowering your expectations, [laughter] bro. You can always [snorts] be positive. You just have to lower your standards. >> gone from like Yeah, dude, like I think this country is going to like we're going to like expand like across like the galaxy and we're going to take over the sun and like and now he's like, "Dude, the Asians are like kind of trying to do some stuff over there. Like I don't really understand it, but >> They have like a vision of the future, dude. >> Trying? In the arena? >> They are trying to do things, dude. That's a lot more than most people. >> That is also true. Yeah, I mean

1:12:25 >> People seem very content to like just watch Netflix and die, dude. Maybe we do have to ban the internet. Maybe we're the problem. Like the >> [laughter] >> That's That's what I'm saying. It's like honestly, it's very it's very hard to say like It's like, "Dude, like I just want to roll Like I All this woke stuff is too much, but can't we just go back to like the 2010s and freeze it there?" It's like, "No, I don't think so." Like I think it necessarily goes to the end. >> I think the '80s we kind of stable. >> [laughter] >> But that's just like it's always the Okay, every time someone's like return, it's always return to just before my prefrontal cortex developed. >> Yep. >> Or like return to the first period of time >> Well, or you're you're saying you're saying like return to this >> me now. >> Yeah, yeah, you're saying like return to this thing that I wasn't even alive for.

1:13:12 So, >> Yes. >> You're like you're you're actually doing a very funny meme. I don't know if we still have it. >> I have I have I understood enough of the times when I was alive that I understand that none of them none of them were actually that good, and the ones that were that good had in them like the seed of the future bad thing. >> You're doing the I was born in the wrong generation post, which was primarily seen in YouTube videos of 60s rock music from millennials. >> No, I'm I'm not doing that. There's like a ton of things about the 80s I don't like, but I think we could return to the 80s social norms. Not that badly. We would have to be happy having a lot less stuff.

1:13:57 I do think I I also just think that's a thing we need to do. We need to be happy having less things. The problem is this is just the unsolvable political pitch. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, it's like you need to be >> So, today we have a presidential debate. >> you go to a bunch of poor people and you're like you should be poorer. You [laughter] are like I noticed that despite the fact that 30% of the country is now below the poverty line, this is uh this is not poor enough, and my vision for the future >> a specific there are things where it's like these things I specifically want you to have less of, and then everything else I specifically want you to have more of. Like it should

1:14:44 be way cheaper to buy a house. But, yeah, maybe maybe you know, you get married and maybe your house only has one floor and it's not in a super desirable location, but the police actually enforce things. Uh, and so it's not like you're living in a crime zone. Or Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you own the same car for 15 years and that becomes a normal thing to do. Um, these were all things that were very normal 20 years ago. They're just not normal now at all. >> Yeah, the car thing is another very interesting thing to see between cities. Um I keep forgetting how many people do like car upgrade cycles like they do their phones.

1:15:29 >> People do two, three year car upgrade cycles. Yes. >> Yeah. >> It's very weird. >> It's extremely weird to me. >> My feeling is either everyone is on debt. It's like the meme of like, "So how does it keep going?" And it's like everyone's in credit card debt. >> [laughter] >> Well, I saw a post about this the other day where uh, some guy was like Uh, they you know, like every every time they come up with a statistic about, "Oh, if the average American suffered an accident that cost like $4,200, they would have to drain their entire bank account to blah blah blah." Um and it's like I guess some some numbers crunching guy came up, but it it just seems obviously wrong because everyone is driving new cars and purchasing all of these infinite

1:16:15 things somehow. It's like maybe it's you know, like I I think they've there there's a secret moat of hidden unlimited credit where people no longer use bank accounts. You you appear to no longer require like real resources to do anything. The people have been sourcing funding. They're all getting loans and maybe they never have to pay them off even. I don't know. >> We'll have to see what happens. But, that's enough society posting. >> About what? Like, where is the [ __ ] money coming from, bro? >> You're You're about to say what? >> Society posting. There's like people who are close to the money faucet, and if you can get close enough to the money faucet, you just win, bro.

1:17:00 >> No, like I I believe, but I'm talking about like your average normal person who's like You know, it's like you Your average >> see a very carefully selected It's Everyone and every single thing is kind of like when people were like, "Yeah, the model doesn't look like that in real life when she wakes up next to you in bed in the morning, bro." But, it's everything is three layers of that. Like, every single part of the world that you're seeing has makeup and then AI editing and then like face correction done on top of each other and plastic surgery. >> Uber driver drives a better car now than the average orthopedic surgeon that I knew 10 years ago. It's just

1:17:45 >> Well, that's fraud. That's the the K-shaped economy is is composed of two things. It's AI or fraud. If you're not in AI or fraud, you are currently experiencing a recession. And by the way, health care and old people services count as fraud. It's like old people's homes. Fraud. Uh you know, like health care, fraud. Uber gig economy, fraud. And everything else is all in on the AI trade, dude. >> I do really like the Uber driver. Go for it. >> Do you think any of the consultants are prepared for like a mass extinction event? >> Consultants?

1:18:30 Why would a consultant >> Yeah, like I have a couple friends who work at BCG or McKinsey. Do you Do you think they're prepared for the actual actuaries or like >> No, no, no, consultants, like management consultants, strategic consultants. >> For a mass extinction event. >> In terms of like uh AI destroying their entire profession. >> Oh, okay. Um I think it's one of those things where you're just like, well, how would I prepare for this? And then it's the answer is like, well, I would get a different job. And then so if they are in the job still, then they haven't prepared for it. >> Hm. >> Like definitionally. >> [laughter]

1:19:15 >> I feel like a lot of the last 6 months specifically has felt like, you know the one GIF of the car rapidly approaching like the crash, but then every single time right before it hits, it cuts to a different angle? >> Yeah, a different angle, and it just keeps getting closer and closer. >> Except all the different cars >> You're actually not sure. Maybe it did blow up, but you're just not watching it anymore. >> That that GIF is actually just what the singularity is. Like this is what they mean when they say we're like at the end of time, right? Like it's not literally stopping, but like everybody becomes so like weird and neurotic that we just think that time is like infinitely scaling as we like look at it harder, and we're all just like, oh my god, like it's getting so crazy, bro, and we just keep repeating this until everyone shits

1:20:02 themselves and goes insane. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. I [snorts] Yeah. >> I'm You know the meme of GigaChad where he's like crying and he has like a cardboard box that says like, I'm actually starting to get very scared. >> [laughter] [laughter] >> I'm actually becoming quite preoccupied with this. >> I've become I've become the Chudjak who's like uh >> Nothing ever happened the >> No, no, no, no, No, no, no. It's It's the, uh, everything is over and that's all right. And he's >> [laughter]

1:20:48 [laughter] >> I think that's a Soy Jack. I don't think it's a Chad Jack. I think that's, uh, >> I thought it was a Whatever. >> I'm whatever the Jack is. I'm whatever the Wojak meme. >> It's like >> I don't have any particular investment in it, but like I'm actually beyond that. I'm at the point of like every like it's it's over It's not even it's over. It's like everything is destroyed and that's beautiful. >> [laughter] >> I just want to feel something, bro. >> I'm starting I'm starting to feel lots of things, too. And like many of them [laughter] are like It's like scary and negative, right? It's like, uh, I mean,

1:21:33 I'm not doing it as much today or yesterday, actually, but it's like how I got sick. And one of my symptoms was that I I just had leaky eyes. Like I was just crying for like 3 days straight. [laughter] Uh, and it's like, "You know what? Like this is novel, man. I've never had this [ __ ] before. This This is sick." I love I love getting new symptoms that aren't like, you know, it's like if you get a new symptom and it's like bleeding out of like you're you're peeing blood. You're like, "That sucks. That's not a good one." But like the symptom [snorts] of just like crying all the time, it's not like bad. It's just kind of interesting, actually, right? Not the worst. >> I I think it might be bad, actually. To be honest. >> I mean, it made me dehydrated. >> Far be it from me to destroy your life-saving cope. >> What I should have done is just taken a bunch of videos. I should have I should

1:22:19 have made a bunch of TikToks pretending like various bad things happened to me I'm just seen which one did better. You know. Should have seen like to >> So apparently Tik Tok is like the libtard platform. So we talked the other [clears throat] day to this guy who's like the genius of short of short form media that Lucas is friends with and he's like yeah you guys should not >> it's pleometric. People probably know him. He makes a bunch of makes a bunch of various fun YouTube and Tik Tok and whatever shorts. >> And you were like yeah this guy is the king of social media. I was like okay great how do we do our Instagram strategy and he's like well this is what you should do and this is what you should not do and you can test this out

1:23:04 and if you want you know send me your first couple things and I'll help you. I was like and how do you do Tik Tok? And he was like he just looked at me. He just looked at us proverbially through the chat messages like you don't you don't do Tik Tok. >> [laughter] [snorts] >> Sort of horrified >> was like you guys are going to have a lot of trouble on Tik Tok because every other sentence you say like three words that get flagged in their algorithm. For uh like naughty no no bad words. >> Yeah it's weird cuz and then we were asking like what sort of stuff got you banned and he's like sending us videos of just like completely normal animations of like uh

1:23:49 it's it's just like oriental celebrations right? But because there's too much coins involved it's like gambling flag like Insta shutdown thing. Very bearish very bearish for our ability to generate fun videos. >> Maybe this is what needs to happen man. Maybe we need like such a digital cleansing that it's like the government comes in if you put too much coins in your animation and it's like this subliminally is going to uh this is subliminally going to destroy people's brains. You can't put that many coins in the animation. >> No, but the problem This is always the problem with regulation is everyone is like dude, what if we like regulated these three like super obvious things

1:24:34 that are mega destroying society? And then you like say, "Yeah, okay." And then you give the US government the ability to like regulate media and they just start banning like everything. They're just like, "We don't like the color blue. It's associated with like this group now." Or like they just go [ __ ] nuts. And then everything is destroyed. Like way more so than you know? Like it works in a country where you have like two guys where they're either like right or they're wrong and it's provable and then they they can be yelled at and like replaced if everyone hates them, but in the US it's just who knows. Like nobody knows why anything happens in the US. Nobody knows who's responsible for it. I don't know. I'm describing the

1:25:19 problems with democracy. This is Dude, this is another thing that I think everyone is gradually coming around to is like universal suffrage democracy is just completely insane. And it was obviously not how our country was intended to be set up because it wasn't present in our country as it was initially set up. And >> Well, Wayne was talking about this the other day where he was like you need to be able to entertain a theoretical conversation about whether everyone should vote. Like you may agree or disagree on the specific category that makes you able to vote or not. Uh but you need to be able to have a like you should be able to entertain this as like a theoretical concept. And then everyone's just like, "You're evil." >> [snorts] >> Everyone's like uh like a half the people were like, "Oh, you don't want

1:26:05 women to vote." >> of those things that's like the most heavily memed American things ever, but like like America Americans broadly don't have a concept of the fact that universal suffrage is not like that's not how our country is always existed. Like we haven't always said that everyone can vote. This is a thing that This is kind of a Yarvin take which is like America was always bad. Like all of America's communist actually. >> [laughter] >> Yarvin has like a giga brain take here which is like actually, oh, you think you're being patriotic like red, white, and blue? Like oh, actually like I'm like we need to go back to the 80s. Yarvin's like 1776. That's when it all went wrong.

1:26:51 We had to install a king right after we became free from the Brits. I mean it I'm kind of amenable to this if only because it's like a very interesting idea. It's it's a very interesting guy. We had a very fun lunch with Yarvin in San Francisco. Um where he Yarvin is very fun in person and he's like much less uh serious all the time and like a fun person. And he starts talking about like oh, Sala, you work in crypto which is like kind of true but not really. Um and he's like you're a crypto Chad, bro. Like I keep I keep telling my girlfriend there's a bunch of hot people who work in crypto and she keeps being like who? It's you, dude. It's you. And

1:27:37 then he takes a picture of me and he goes well, this picture doesn't look particularly good so I'm actually not going to tell any of my girlfriend anything. Like it sounds like I'm trying to brag as I tell this story but then at the end he's like actually I just looked at you again and you're pretty ugly, man. >> [laughter] >> He's just such a bizarre guy. He also This is such a Yarvin take to just be like Like I didn't even realize he'd said this but that is so classic Yarvin to just say like yeah, America's bad in totality. What Yarvin does that the ingredient to a classic Yarvin take is like he outflanks you on like three different points at once. Like you're like I dislike woke and he's like, "Oh, yeah."

1:28:23 >> [laughter] >> Did you consider that like the fundamental foundations of the American Revolution were actually quite woke in fact, sir? >> [laughter] >> He just outflanks you by like three centuries. >> [laughter] >> It's just impossible. Like everybody has their baseline of like how how far Like this this is what describes the degree to uh like how radical you are at this point anymore, I think, is like how much are you willing to >> What year What year did the mistake happen? What year is the year that like on your timeline there's two paths and we like took the mistake path?

1:29:08 >> It's like you have the guy who's like, "Yeah, like we need to rethink like the parties that are involved in like suffrage." And then you have the person who's like, "Democracy was a mistake." And then you have the person who's like, "Representation was a mistake." Like the And then you have the person that's saying like uh "Technology was the mistake." And then you have guys saying like, "We have to return to the monarchy." Like [laughter] that's like the final >> The problem is if you go far back enough, you just become Nick Land where you're like the second we invented fire, it was already over for us. We were never meant [laughter] to We were never meant to leave the cave. And it's

1:29:53 >> Like everyone is arguing over from which point we were on rails to just like blow everything up at. And uh everyone's like, "I hope we're cutting the rot out from the core." But like And it's like you don't actually know unless you blast us back to the Stone Age, right? Like nobody I we're all just hoping. Like everyone's hoping that like the Bronze Age wasn't going to like inevitably lead to like Tik Tok, right? But like it it might have been. You might have to go back even farther, right? It's not [snorts] It's not particularly optimistic that this is like uh the intellectuals that seem to be interesting nowadays to people.

1:30:40 Everyone's like, "Wow, this guy predicted that everything would like uh get really awful for everyone at the exact same moment. >> [snorts] >> We should listen to them." And then it's like all the people that are saying like, "Anyway, so the solution is nuking all of the data centers at once." >> [laughter] >> Well, Nick Land's whole thing is like that even that's not enough and you have to just accept that the machines will rule over us. I don't I don't even know what Nick >> I've never read Nick Land, which is funny because every single group that I've ever been associated with is like "Oh my god, like Nick Land is like the most based but I've like I've never read a single thing that he said." I follow his Twitter account now. I

1:31:25 >> No one reads her. Don't worry about it, man. >> He seems he seems nice to my friends, so I like him. But uh >> The thing I really like about Nick Land is he's like not above He's not above He's very Ted Kaczynski-like where he will talk about the singularity and then he'll retweet your tweet about like women or like [laughter] cyclists are really bad people and all deserve to be killed. And he's like, "So true, dude." >> [snorts] >> We could probably get Land on the podcast actually through uh the Passage Press guys. >> That would be fun, probably. >> We should look into this. >> I think I think having Nick Land on and then talking exclusively about like we first >> Yes, I don't want to talk about I want to have Nick Land on, but I don't want to talk about technology at

1:32:10 >> or capitalism. I don't I don't know like I just don't know anything about either of them really in the grand scheme of things and I would prefer to talk about It's like when I had the podcast episode with Bath and we just talked about whether he thought cats or dogs were better and he hedged for like 30 minutes [laughter] because he didn't want to offend his fans and then eventually he just admits like clearly cats are superior. >> [laughter] >> Which we are you like Are you like I want a cat with like a dog personality or you just like full-on cat? Uh I think cats they're just they're just better and base I mean like obviously there's like a lot of personalities within dogs and who's to say that

1:32:56 your cat doesn't have some dog-like traits. I'm hedging. >> Yeah, but like Come on, dude. Like cats are just I think I think also whenever someone Okay, so I have a cat. Whenever someone comes over to my house and then they they like pick up my cat and then they just like they like "Ooh, who's a cute little boy?" And they like squeeze him and then they start like they like rubbing his head. I'm like, "Dude, like he wants to [ __ ] kill you. Like what do you This is insane behavior." And then and then he like my cat like screams and runs away and then they'll be like, "Oh, like I you know, I'm just more of a dog person. Like cats just like they're so finicky and like they have all these weird rules." And you're

1:33:41 >> [laughter] [laughter] >> And you just imagine this person trying to date, right? Like imagine this person trying to figure out a person of the opposite sex and like have a successful marriage with them. They just seem to have zero empathy. I think dogs are animals that were bred so that completely unempathetic people can just always be able to go over and just grab them and be like Look who's Look who's a good boy. >> [snorts] >> Just like rub their head and stuff like that. Uh and cats are just We just accepted that cats are like this is an animal that will have feelings that are not like wanting to

1:34:26 play with you all the time. And that's fine. I have a dog, dude, and he's like pretty fine. I think the problem is people with dogs want a very specific kind of thing and will let their dog off the proverbial and literal leash in a lot of ways. And it's like the reason you wanted this is because it's a 50 IQ animal that loves you unconditionally uh and is very excited about you, but you have to understand this comes with certain trade-offs. Like you have to give it attention. It will come and jump on you, you know. Uh if you leave it inside, it will ruin your furniture. And it's like 50 IQ dog, everyone would understand this is like bought into the thing, right? But somehow like if you

1:35:14 describe it in any other way, people are like, "No, like I should be able to just have a creature that unconditionally loves me and is rock stupid and doesn't ever do anything wrong." Uh and it's just very hard to do this. >> Yeah, I mean, I think I think the problem is that when you domesticate something such that it loves the average person, it necessarily becomes mega stupid. Because to love the average person unconditionally, you have to be [ __ ] Right? Like you have to actually be a brain-dead organism. Because I like I'm not I'm not even saying this to be like an edgelord. Like the average person is actively just kind of dangerous to like animals, right? Like the fact that the people come and they like pick my cat up and they like squeeze it to the point that it's like hurting. Like this is

1:35:59 like >> [snorts] >> And like yes, obviously smart people know to not squeeze the cat until it dies, but like I'm saying like average people. >> Like average I'm trying to understand who this was who like came over and like very retardedly squeezed your cat. >> There's like three people specifically that I'm thinking of from the town that I was referring to. Uh It It this It just became like a very weird trope, man. They were all older women. They were all older women. Every time someone's like, "I hate cats, dude. Like they just They cats hate you. They just think of you like you're their slave or something." It's like, "I don't know, dude." I don't think that's accurate. I think

1:36:45 my cat thinks that I'm like another person that like lives in the same general boxes them and we sometimes interact. I don't Like I I don't even Okay, here here's a take for you, Sales. I don't even like animals I own knowing that I feed them because I feel that this is like a cheap way of like buying them off. I will put their food in some sort [laughter] of weird Like I will put their food in some sort of weird self-dispensing thing. Uh a way where I don't like have to go out and like [ __ ] with it in a way that they see me doing every day, right? And I'll make sure that they just have like running water. So like my cat has just basically like an infinite bag of food. Uh and a constantly running hose. And then he can

1:37:32 go in and out of the house whenever he wants to. But there's no This is the other thing with cats. There's no way to like stop them from uh Like whenever they learn a lesson, they learn it contextually, right? So if a cat is eating your plant and you come over and you stop it by like spraying it with a bottle of water or something like that, the lesson the cat learns is not don't eat the plant. It is you're not allowed to eat the plant if Lucas is there with the bottle of water. But like >> Yes. >> If you're far If you're far enough away, it can still eat the plant, and it knows that when you run up and get close, now it has to run. So, you have to come up with all of these convoluted ways uh because like a dog will just say, "Oh, [ __ ] I'm not allowed to eat the plant. Shit." And then just gives up.

1:38:17 But cats will just start scaling like it's like, "Okay, I really want to eat the plant. Like, what series of conditions do I have to clear in order to eat this plant?" >> [laughter] [snorts] >> We have another one of our favorite uh another one of our favorite talking points here. Um some guy's posting I'm always fascinated by this. 3:20 p.m. Two Polymarket traders bet tons of money on Fable being released. 4:52 p.m. And Rob announces Fable 5 is coming back. What could he mean by this? >> [laughter] >> The first comment is like prediction markets pay insiders to reveal their information to the public. It's kind of true, right? >> I It's obviously true. Yes. That's the

1:39:04 the way it works. No? >> Yeah. That's what it's like. >> uh the whole value prop. >> So, I guess like people have just accepted that this is like a good like this is a market This is a market thesis for this stuff is we are we're just finding the fair value of these people's information. >> I think it'll probably be fine. >> I think there's a lot of roles. Hold on. I think there's a lot of roles where you were exposed to like a strangely high amount of like very private information, but for some reason it was not compensated at all. The fact that this was happening. >> Yeah. >> And so, I think this is especially fine in that sense insofar as like yeah, man,

1:39:51 like maybe now people need to get, you know, like compensated a little better for having a role where they have a ton of access to, you know, special information. And this is okay. >> You know, like if if people find out that a different AI model is going to be usable by the public like a day before like this doesn't Well, the really bad thing is the war stuff, I think. >> Well, but that's even good, too, because now you know that there's somebody who's willing to like leak all of your you know, like if somebody knows that a war is happening ahead of time, this just means that you have somebody in your administration who is leaking like the one thing that is super mega not leakable, right? Like you super

1:40:36 mega don't want people telling them telling other countries that you're invading them like ahead of schedule. That's just like it's just like a super so, I mean, it's it's a better mechanism for getting these people the [ __ ] out or at least finding what their price is, right? Like you can find the price at which people start defecting because presumably there is is one. >> Uh I don't know. >> It's just funny that that's now the accepted like understanded understood thesis from people and people are like I like I I'm kind of fine with the idea of insider trading of information uh because for so long you've had like Nancy Pelosi just and this is more egregious to me because

1:41:21 this is a person who controls much of the information that is being bet upon, right? Uh it's very different for me if some employee at a company is like, "Wow, like I got a lottery ticket today. They told me like that one of the polymarket things is coming through. You know? And the guy is >> me this is one of the things where like it's kind of in a lot of ways it's like a you should have paid this person more indicator. >> Yes. Yes. >> Like you clearly needed to pay this person way more than whatever it is you're paying them. >> Like I think we're at world historic points of like everyone is just going to scam anyway. You know? Like it's like oh I gave you I gave you a raise so you'll stop betting on Polymarket pools and revealing our

1:42:06 governments like maritime plans to Iran. And the guy's like awesome. Thanks for the raise and then just keeps doing it. You know? Like there is this theory People have this theory all the time that I compensation will change behavior. It's like yeah like I think that I if I pay this person more I'll get the behavior that I want out of them. It's like why do you think that? Actually. >> At times this is very true and then at times >> This is like unbelievably and obviously very mistaken. >> Yes. It sometimes works though. But like it's it's one of those situations where everyone that I know that's used this as a tactic I it's like they can point to like the

1:42:51 two times that it worked so well that it forced them to keep trying it even though it failed horribly the other like 50 times they did it. >> Um Yeah, I mean people are just very delusional about what what works in psychology and what doesn't work, right? >> I I was one of these people actually. I worked at a company where they gave me a completely random unrequested literal doubling of my compensation. I and I was like that's Yeah, like I I was like that's [ __ ] awesome. I and then >> harder or better or anything? >> Yeah, I wound up getting like four promotions over the next like year or something as a result of what I did because of that. And uh

1:43:36 >> Well, it seems like it worked pretty [ __ ] well then, no? >> Yeah, but no no no, but the person literally told me like they were like because it worked so well for you, I tried it with a bunch of other people and you're the only person that actually responded to being paid more. They said like every every other person every other person did exactly the same amount of work and like continued attempting to like work remotely and all of this other stuff. That's funny. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. And also like I don't think that it's like a type of person thing. Like if someone did that again, I recognize that it like it might not work on me. Like I think it was just like a mood thing. It's like, "Wow, like in this moment I

1:44:21 am super grateful, but in the future I may choose not to be." Anyway. >> So what were were our last couple bits here? They were the uh >> Oh yeah, do you mean the World Cup stuff going on? It's just like watching Americans pretend to care about soccer is so bizarre, man. It's like uh the guy who like watches the Olympics once every four years and gets really into curling or something just for the season of it, but he clearly doesn't know about it or care at all. That's like what the entire country was reduced to with this World Cup stuff. I think a lot of people pretend to care. I think I do think it's kind of true. People always say >> about Americans like Americans are very full of themselves as like you go to other places and people generally have like more of a maybe I don't know the

1:45:08 answers to things uh kind of mentality. Um but my other theory is like but that's a good thing. >> [snorts] >> Like it's it's super good that Americans are very full of themselves. Like that's what works. That's what works about America. And like the the track record proves that it works, right? >> Yeah, I mean it's definitely what works for podcasting. Like imagine if both of us both of us responding to each other was just us saying like >> I'm not too sure. >> have enough information on that. Let me do some [snorts] research and I'll get back to you. >> Whenever we hedge, it's just our worst uh the worst content ever is when we hedge.

1:45:53 Yeah. >> It is Yeah, it's just always better to like take a stance and then someone might yell at you or whatever, but like usually if they yell at you hard enough, it forces you to like and now you've learned, right? Cuz in order to argue back with someone, you have to learn something. Maybe you learned you're wrong. But at least you're still You have an even stronger opinion for the next time. It's just always better to like say things that force yourself to respond to some guy who's mad. >> [laughter] >> There is like a type of person who only ever researches something if they have to respond to somebody in an argument and the person's like calling them names, right? Like this is a very notable type of person. >> Is this just you or you just

1:46:39 Are you just describing yourself? >> Dude, it's you, too. I've seen the people who you argue with. I've seen the people who you argue with in the replies with. >> Yeah, this is me. [laughter] >> it's everyone who has a big account on this website. >> Oh, yeah. And then the the other addition from the uh the AC commentary we had before is that I'm seeing all of these videos from Chinese people now posting about how like even their cows have like air conditioning, right? Like they've installed ACs >> them sending like photos of their pigs with air conditioners [laughter] to Europeans who just like want to die? Okay, can you Can you explain to me like what the infrastructural reason is that Europe doesn't just like blitzkrieg AC installation.

1:47:25 It's not It's like cultural. It's entirely a cultural phenomenon. It's like we culturally oppose this technology. Like we we have a culture which opposes the idea of a heat pump. Like heat should heat should go to where it is naturally dispersed to. I believe in entropy. Right? Anything that opposes the principle of entropy is bad. When I asked I asked some people I was eating dinner with last night about this and they all go like, "Yeah, it's because Europeans don't care if they smell like [ __ ] man. They don't care about like BO and stuff like that." I was like, "I don't >> Well, their food is also better. So, they they maybe should smell really bad, but they don't smell as bad as they would uh because the food is just like better quality food.

1:48:10 >> Yeah, I was going to say like I don't think that's true, but I also like you just get into this weird thing where I'm I don't necessarily want to argue over Like none of us have smelled these people enough to have a realistic opinion on this, right? You know, you're just like >> Um I'm a shoot from the hip guy, man. Like I I have been to Europe a bunch of times and like the people there just don't smell very bad. >> There's also they also just like remember thinking I don't but I also I also came to Europe from Asia where it's also really hot and they >> Yeah. I just think it's like in general Europeans have more of like a Like where normal people maybe are like, "Oh, I would be like normal Americans

1:48:56 are like not super embarrassed about certain types of things." It's like Europeans will be very embarrassed and will make huge steps to like rectify and not like do the embarrassing thing. Um I think a lot of times the the American like just doesn't care. >> I mean, they clearly make less of an effort to not be fat. Or they clearly make more of an effort to not be fat. This is just the problem with America. Like this is This is another one of those areas where Dude, we could do an entire Okay. Actually, maybe next episode I can just compile literally like every single part of society that has been destroyed by just rampant obesity. >> Lowest common denominator. behavior. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and we just like literally do

1:49:41 like a full like 5-minute documentarian episode on the ways that your life has been destroyed by fat people around you even though you don't interact with them. Right? Like it's truly quite shocking. Um But I I'd forgotten the other thing that I was meaning to mention about the Polymarket thing. Um We also totally nailed Do you remember Do you remember talking about how uh we had a calling viewer Flip JPEG Feel Pain on x.com. Uh And he said bet hard on GTA 6 not getting delayed again. And he [ __ ] nailed it. I think it was predicted like 60-something percent uh

1:50:26 chance of getting delayed. And they they're not delaying it again. Came out. Uh so he just gave everyone like a 60% win off of that one. I also asked him like how do you know this is true? And >> Yeah, what was his basis here? >> He was like, "Just don't worry about it, man." >> [laughter] [snorts] >> So it's like either he had like mega insider or he was just like larping hard as [ __ ] I don't know. >> [laughter] >> Somewhat suspicious. >> So our Polymarket track record is just getting absurd, man. It's getting It's getting truly insane. We're running out of things to speculate on at this point. The uh I There is like the 2026 midterm balance of power poll, but like how confident do you feel about any given thing happening in this?

1:51:12 Currently, Democrat sweep is the most uh preferred outcome, but Republican Senate, Democrat House is just like a couple percentage behind. Dude, it was really funny the other day I saw a video of AOC trying to like be giga snarky, and it was just like the biggest like [ __ ] up ever. Like just like total embarrassment. Uh she was like trying to be very snarky towards J.D. Vance, cuz J.D. Vance apparently was like "Oh, I I think she's going to be the nominee." Uh and like obviously when he says that, like there is some snark involved in this, right? Like >> Yeah. >> in some ways when you say this, you are saying like I hope this person is the nominee, because I think this person is very bad, right? Um

1:51:57 I don't know. I think uh I think there is a pretty significant chance that we see a world where uh it's like J.D. Vance versus AOC, like 5 years ahead of time. >> Isn't it weird that J.D. Vance is like in some ways like younger than AOC? >> Yeah. In many ways he's younger than AOC. >> Like he he And that sounds that sounds completely insane, I guess, to say, but like I think to a younger guy uh I don't I mean younger girl it's I guess it's just going to be guy girl split, but like >> [sighs] >> younger guys I think feel more

1:52:42 culturally attuned to the era of J.D. Vance than they do to a year like AOC actually feels old to me now. Like this this era of this type of specific like millennial girl power weird like uh what were they? It was like the girl power >> This was like all conclusively debunked 7 years ago. >> Yeah, like I feel and it's strange because they're all still in office, but it just like in my mind it's classified as sort of like a failed experiment, right? I am like who is the marginal buyer for this? Like who is left to buy? Like at this point at this point it's purely like existing buyers are getting cannibalized and like bullied to death by basically every other demographic

1:53:28 because millennial snark I think is the single worst polling rhetorical strategy of the last 50 years. It's just so broadly hated, man. Like people just really don't like it. >> I think millennials it's just super over for millennials, dude, in general. >> Looks that way. >> posted the other day about like the generations thing. I've kind of become a total believer in like there's just every other generation is good and then bad. Like Gen Z is good. And like you know, you obviously you viewer a good person, you know. Let's uh let's not get it twisted here, you know. Uh people get really weird >> You girl who is listening to this >> about the generation stuff. Like if people It it's always like uh cuz I will frequently say bad things

1:54:13 about millennials while being a millennial. And I like I always assume that it's like I'm not saying 100% of millennials are like evil people that should be sent to gas chambers, right? But then like every single millennial will take offense to it uh even if they don't they don't like have the trait being described at all. >> kind of proves [clears throat] like millennials are just not that great of people, man. >> [laughter] >> No, but you the same thing happens with zoomers. Like if you say bad things about zoomers, also every single >> No, I kind of I I kind of super hard disagree with this, actually. I think zoomers are pretty like yeah, man. It's it's cooked. >> Dude, I think this is completely wrong. Like I've you can search through my tweets. Like they both freak out.

1:54:59 Zoomers I like zoomers I feel are actually more whiny about it, but this is also just because they're younger and younger people are more whiny I think. >> Do you think America does well this World Cup? >> Like people have been saying for a very long time that like America should be better. >> What? America's still >> over. >> No, I America's still in it, dude. Unless I'm really mistaken. >> Oh no, I just saw that somebody won the World Cup already. >> Dude, no. This is like a long thing. This takes a minute, dude. >> How long is this [ __ ] man? >> It's it's very long. >> Where's it being hosted? Is it is it in America this time? >> You are you you can't be serious, dude. You're just [laughter]

1:55:44 You love doing this bit, dude. You're like, "I don't know anything. I'm just a clueless like >> [snorts] >> Okay, the reason I the reason that I know that it's going on in America is because I've seen a bunch of videos of Europeans coming to America and being like, "Oh my god, like everything is so big. Like Whoa, like everybody's so like rude and they jaywalk." And >> I think the Freddy account was pretty uh was pretty astroturfed. So, a bunch of people have been saying like this is a thing that's like existed for a very long time. >> What is? >> And I kind I I just don't like I don't know, man. I don't buy it, dude. >> Is there some account that's been made like the primary spectacle of like Europeans in America posting?

1:56:30 >> Yeah, this guy Yeah, the Freddy guy. And it's like Dude, I just I don't buy it. Uh >> I don't think he has to. >> I simply do not buy it. >> Doesn't make any sense. >> I just don't Dude, I don't believe any of these Like anytime an account goes really big really fast anymore, I'm just like, "I don't know, man. Seems fishy. Seems fishy." Cuz it's like how do we like how do we know Like if we run up an account, it's like, "Okay, we have an idea. We have a fun narrative for an account and then we spin it, right? Would it be different for like anyone else? Is it like the it's like guy who's been grinding for like 72 years finally hits gold. He finally finds his niche,

1:57:16 right? He finally becomes an amazing poster overnight. I think it's just like someone bought an account and they were a good poster before. >> Yeah, I think they just bought it the account. I think accounts [snorts] are increasingly becoming like a very liquid phenomenon. >> How much would you sell your Twitter account for? It would have to be super high six figures. Someone Someone gave me an offer uh like at the height of last crypto cycle. It was like already like a pretty absurd offer. Uh but I was This is the problem

1:58:02 is like the price that I would accept is so much higher than the value that anyone could get out of it. So it's like there just will be no sales or like it's just not going to happen. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. It would have to be a truly ridiculously good price. >> Their first offer was like 600k. They were They were so annoyed that they were like >> ridiculous price that like I feel bad saying the number. >> Yeah, like it's it's obviously loserish to not accept the amount of money, but it's also like >> It's not even that though. >> So like the the problem is the problem is the word >> It's worth basically an unlimited amount of money to me to not have to go and

1:58:47 record everybody's contact information that I've stored in my DMs. Like that's you know, it's like uh a vacation to the Caribbean, $15,000. A new MacBook, like $5,000. The cost of not having to do 100 million hours of like labor, priceless. >> [snorts] >> 100 million hours of like data entry, priceless. And it's also not something that you can do with AI because of the [ __ ] XAPI [ __ ] You can't web scrape it either cuz you'll get banned for automating your [ __ ] under Nikita. Nikita's Nikita is like the scariest person in the entire universe to me, man.

1:59:33 >> I think Nikita is in a very tough position. I used to dislike him a lot more. Now, the way I view Nikita is very similar to the way that I would view like an NPC if I was playing like Civ 5. Like it's not malicious. He just does the thing, you know? >> Yeah, but there's a very there's a very simple like rule set and as long as you follow it, you don't get attacked. Like you know how to and how to not draw aggro, right? If I don't ever complain about I don't like >> I will never get aggro drawn towards me. >> Yeah, and there there's things I don't like about it, but um >> We're now complaining about like the

2:00:20 environmental hazards and like the environmental stuff. >> You know what I mean? It's like do I like the fact that a porcupine is spiky? No. Would I maybe want to do certain things in like the or like a skunk, you know? It's like a skunk. And it's like the skunk is there and it's just like simply don't harass the skunk. It's not that hard to not harass a skunk. It's like And And would it be better if you didn't have to give the skunk a massive wide birth? Yes. But like it is what it is, dude. The skunk is there. You kind of have to accept it. >> What animal do we most cuz like I mean people are like Nikita boar. Boar might actually be like that might actually be kind of a fitting animal like a huge pig that will come and like gore you if you [ __ ] with it but otherwise just kind of

2:01:05 meanders around goring other people for fun. I think Nikita well it like fits really well, right? Like Nikita boar Nikita meat >> Yeah. It's just it fits very well name-wise. I don't even know if it's actually that good uh anything else-wise but it fits really well name-wise so >> Maybe hippo. >> stuck. I I do I will say one of the things that made me like him the most is when he like like when he just accepted that this was his like meme now. That made me way more inclined to be pro >> pro What what that it what accepted that what was his meme? >> Like oh I'm the Nikita boar guy. >> Yeah, I mean it's always very bad when people have like a fan appointed

2:01:50 nickname to them and they just refuse to acknowledge it, right? >> I like when you call him sales. Sales is always kind of funny to me. >> Yeah, I've I've started doing it much more too which I don't know if it's good or not but it's funny that it's like a category of industry like sales. Like you are the sales guy. >> I mean when you call me sales. >> Right but like it's it's funny that it's like I'm called like the sales guy. >> know, man. He thought I sell things. It's like pretty I think it makes a lot of sense. I think it's pretty straightforward. >> So anyway anyway you were saying AOC seems insane but you did not make a call on what you think is happening on this 2026 midterm pool. Do you have any You have no strong opinions? Cuz I use You are You are one of my like

2:02:37 three nodes that I use to form an opinion off of super fun for politics for like who is going to win the midterms this time here. You are I think my least You are my least Republican biased node, actually. You're like hysterically democratically biased compared to almost everyone else I know and talk to. Really? You're up there with Blue Wavers in terms of how over you think it is in 2028. Like it's pretty blue I Who's Blue Wavers? Uh just like hardline Dems. >> Oh, you just mean like Blue Wavers is like a >> Yes, like not like a person called Blue Wavers, but like members of the Blue Wave. >> [laughter] >> We have This is like This is so strange.

2:03:24 >> Yeah, this is this is straight-up like uh 3:00 a.m. levels of confusion coming from these conversations here. >> You really think I'm that uh Really? >> Yeah, like out of all the people that I've talked to in America, you're much much more bearish on the Republicans than pretty much everyone else. Including including like moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans. >> It's very much not that I don't that I like don't want to be more positive. Um I just think it's kind of hard to find like great reason to be super positive. >> Well, you don't need reasons, but I mean like if you don't go here and it

2:04:09 doesn't it doesn't have any consequence to you, you can just cope yourself, right? Like you can just imagine that the Republicans will win everything forever. Like it actually doesn't matter to >> things, actually. I'm not sure why, now that I think about it. This is like a kind of a >> Like this is like something that super doesn't matter to you, actually. Uh it it appears that Sales is refusing to give me an opinion on who's going to win the 2026 midterms, which means uh There's currently a category for other pulling at 1%. >> It's probably a buy, but you almost certainly lose money on that, right? >> What, buying the other? >> Yeah. 1% is just so cheap for other, dude. Like, I don't know. Trump Trump uh Trump runs again, question mark. Like

2:04:56 >> Who knows what's in >> Trump Okay, Trump is pulling really, really well in every Republican primary candidate poll. Like, he's pulling above like a comical number of other actual candidates. >> Yeah. >> Is the thesis just that like No, dude, like he's actually a fascist. Like, you don't get it. Like, it's going to happen. Like, is Like, who who is voting for this is what I'm saying. Like, who's purchasing that poll option? Is it like leftists are so black-pilled that they're actually willing to bet money on Trump being president again? >> Uh no, I think it's like giga Dude, I think uh most people who use prediction markets use it as like a my team win thing, okay? I I don't think I don't think most people who use >> You're basically saying you don't think it's a prediction market. You think it's

2:05:41 a manifestation market. >> Yes, dude. I think people just cheer for their [ __ ] team, man. >> I think that's kind of true, but I don't know if that's true in It's definitely true if there's like a K-pop poll. Like, if we had like which K-pop singer is going to sell the most whatever they sell, I guess. Is it single >> it's entirely true that most people use prediction markets almost entirely as some sort of like what do I want to Like, I'm cheering for my team. >> I think most sports bettors do this. >> Most people, but I think the volume of money like I think there's like some fund out there that's allocating the majority of the capital of these pools that like is not just picking their favorites. They're doing some sort of model. We also, actually, you know what we should do is we should shill the fact that we

2:06:26 are doing bonus episodes up on uh Substack for some for some fee. We don't know what the fee is yet actually, but we are just going to be because we now at this point have a fairly annoying amount of episodes that we recorded. Uh but we just didn't want to post because they were like there's too much weird stuff that we had to take out for one reason or another. >> Yeah. But yes. Basically, we're going to do some sort of premium. Do we have any idea? Are we doing Substack? It's on Substack. It's on our website. Subscribe to the podcast for extra content. It only costs a certain amount of money that I'm not sure how much money that is. >> We'll decide eventually. money >> It only costs however much money we

2:07:11 decided it is and it's available everywhere that we also decided it is. The editor will like flash words on the screen or something here surely. >> I don't think he will, but it I probably Substack. I think we should just do Substack. Patreon is just uh >> I think us being on Substack is really funny because most people on Substack are like they're really serious, right? Um >> Dude, I'm so serious right now. My I have a headache. Like I have a fever. Like I feel pretty serious right now. Feel pretty seriously bad. Feel pretty >> [laughter] >> We're not feeling great, guys. We're surviving though. It's all >> I'm wrapped in a green screen, bros. Like I'm shivering in a green screen. >> Dude, as long as you don't zero out, you

2:07:57 can always live to fight another day. >> [laughter] >> It always be worse, bro. That's not what I said. That's There is actually a point at which it can't be worse. There's like one specific acute point at which it can't be and like we're not there. We're not there, but uh >> It could be a lot worse. >> Yeah, it could be. I mean right now it could be a lot worse. But for but it's like I mean in in terms of my general range of like good to bad, I'm I'm below the range, right? Like I'm It's It's worse than usual. >> [snorts] >> Whatever. Anyway, guys, we love you. Uh And our sponsors, also, we love you. Polymarket, Zcash, Passage Press, and Citizen X. >> Yes.

2:08:42 >> though, I don't think any of them made it this far in our episode. So, we I I will side with [laughter] the viewers this time. >> So, there's like a very weird like sometimes sometimes like the actual operators at the company won't watch our videos, but like the board will. Or like their biggest >> [laughter] >> investor will.