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The Problem with Knowing Things

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Lukas and Saila talk about product reviews and Costco bulk buying, AI safety and political burnout, Middle East news and the Lindsay Clancy trial, how people evaluate medicine and scientific evidence, podcast analytics and consumer behavior, crypto and the Clarity Act, jury trials, cooking, sun exposure, fishing, and the very different cultures of YouTube and X.

Chapters

  1. 00:00 Why going outside is dangerous
  2. 01:12 Product reviews, sponsors and bad products
  3. 03:03 Reviewing the Tri Blue scalp cleanser
  4. 05:53 Scalp tension and “one big problem”
  5. 07:45 Costco, bulk buying and natural soap
  6. 11:18 Water filtration and optimizing showers
  7. 12:17 How upgrades ruin ordinary experiences
  8. 14:09 Why online debates have become exhausting
  9. 16:35 AOC, Rubio and “serious” politicians
  10. 18:44 Political burnout and the Iran war
  11. 20:01 Houthis, Saudi forces and Middle East absurdity
  12. 21:51 The Lindsay Clancy juror controversy
  13. 24:20 Starbucks, normies and “touch grass”
  14. 25:41 What normal people think about AI safety
  15. 27:20 Anthropic, IPO incentives and AI spending
  16. 28:31 Regulatory capture and AI safety scares
  17. 30:19 Why actionable topics beat grand debates
  18. 31:33 Calls to action, subscriptions and selling knowledge
  19. 32:00 Tai Lopez, books and knowledge LARPing
  20. 33:08 Timeless episodes vs current-event content
  21. 34:13 Crypto gains, watches and better uses of money
  22. 36:31 Status anxiety and expensive watches
  23. 37:35 Surgery reviews and fear of rare outcomes
  24. 40:00 User error, contraception and bad statistics
  25. 41:51 Mechanisms vs correlation in modern science
  26. 43:30 Trusting doctors and personalized judgment
  27. 45:13 Shorter episodes, retention and production value
  28. 46:59 Consumers don’t know what they want
  29. 47:57 Kickstarter and the reversal of customer risk
  30. 49:57 Anonymity, the penguin and online identity
  31. 50:49 Crypto markets and the Clarity Act
  32. 52:18 Jury trials and demographic incentives
  33. 53:30 Searching for better “normie” topics
  34. 54:55 Chicken cooking and simple food
  35. 57:32 Costco carrots and the anti-outdoors bit
  36. 59:37 Sun exposure and avoiding peak UV
  37. 01:00:30 Fishing as prehistoric gambling
  38. 01:02:00 Fishing regulars and local expertise
  39. 01:04:02 Fun, short-form video and calls to action
  40. 01:05:21 YouTube comments vs X
  41. 01:06:55 “Heaven banning” and platform culture
  42. 01:08:02 Big Chicken, sponsors and post-credit bits

Transcript

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00:00 What are some of the risks of of going outside, Lucas? >> Everything here. Let me go through this. I'll I'll real quick real quick here for you. Okay, so you probably know somebody or maybe one of your loved ones has been hit by a drunk driver, right? Where where did that happen? Outside. Maybe you have uh parents who have divorced each other. Where did your dad meet your mom? >> Holy [ __ ] >> Outside. Maybe you've noticed that people have been returning to the house with uh you know fits of coughing, sneezing or other other signs of illness. Where are they returning from? Outside. You might have noticed that some of your family members come back and they they act very differently and they don't seem like the same person anymore and you suspect that they've been replaced. Where did that happen? Outside the house.

00:45 >> Outside. >> Replace them inside the house. >> It is literally just everything bad happens outside, right? like 98% of deaths in the US I'm sure happened because at some point someone went outside all of all everyone everyone too all the all you looks maxers out there you've been asking me I've gotten a lot of comments recently Lucas Lucas what's your skincare routine just don't [ __ ] go outside you're like oh like I need to put the vitamin C no you don't just don't go outdoors don't go outside welcome back to another episode of the plasma experience brought to you by Zcash poly market citizen X and Passage Press. >> We should start. This is This is something that should definitely go into the episode. If you send us your product, I will review it and I will do a good job.

01:31 >> We could be the two the two dudes podcast version of those um Chinese live streams where they just promote products for 30 seconds and then move on to the next. >> Yes. The woman who slides and then she has the dress and then she slides and then a new one and slide. >> Very good. >> You would be great at that actually. You would do that really, really well. >> I love product reviews. I will review products more accurately and more quickly than anyone else has ever reviewed products. >> We should definitely do the thing where we um >> I will be honest. I'm going if your product is [ __ ] I will come on. But the thing is if your product is truly stupid, it will still be better for you to get a bad review by me than it will be for you to try and do your own marketing for your stupid

02:16 product. Like I will I can go more viral by fing your product if you have a bad product than you will ever go viral by marketing it legitimately. >> Dude, people are really bored. People will buy bad products because they're bad on purpose. >> That That's probably also true. >> The main problem people have nowadays is they're they're very bored. If you can solve boredom, you can make a lot of money in in some way or another. Always. >> We're podcast. We don't. It's like by the virtue of us having a podcast, this must be true, right? Like our entire the thing that we're doing right now proves that we believe this thesis. We wouldn't be doing it if we didn't believe it. Actually, you know what? Speaking of product reviews, speaking of product

03:01 reviews, let's do one. I'll be right back. We have here the Triblue scalp cleanser from I believe it's just from the Trib Blue thing that makes your brain blue. Yeah. So, it does have methylene blue in it, but it doesn't have enough methylene. What I was really hoping for was that it was going to have so much methylene blue in it that I would put it on my head and I would like start dripping like a sickening like it would look like I was an alien from Halo where I would start bleeding a bunch of neon [ __ ] But it's just a very vaguely blue color that comes down. Uh the only thing is first of all it's like it's a scalp wash which this isn't a category of product that I think anyone is really familiar with. I guess I should put it >> is there any way I can >> put scalp wash in a shampoo?

03:47 >> Well that's the thing and so I don't use shampoo so I'm in kind of a weird territory where now while I'm using this this is the only hair product that I use. >> Is it not effectively just shampoo? Uh well, it's just not soap. Uh yeah, they have salicylic acid, baking soda, vitamin B3, torine, caffeine, methylene, blue. Uh so the caffeine was interesting because there was a day where I used this immediately after micro needling my scalp. Uh and there's about half a gram of caffeine in this stuff, right? And so I put all of this powder on my scalp that I just poked a bunch of holes into. And in the morning, like I'm showering and I'm rubbing my head. You're supposed to leave this there for like 10 minutesish. So, I'm sitting in the

04:32 shower with this stuff on my head. It It stings a fair bit because it has salicylic acid. So, I'm putting acid into the holes I just poked into my head. But, I'm I'm getting hyped up, right? I'm getting extremely amped up. And uh this was before I knew what was in it. So, I'm sitting there and I'm like, "Dude, this is I I got a good feeling about this scalp wash, bro. Like, I got a really good feeling about this scalp wash." And eventually I learned I just took like a giga dose of caffeine straight into my bloodstream. I don't think it's intended to uh be absorbed transermally. I think that caffeine does some weird thing to your uh like the hormone balance on your uh scalp so that you regrow your hair or

05:19 something like that. Or maybe it's like an antifungal or something. I'm probably making this up, but the important thing is all of this stuff makes your scalp feel really good and like I can't explain it, but it's like loose. Like it moves around more. If you were to go and like try to like pinch up like a fold of your scalp, it's like you usually can't do it. But after using this stuff a bunch or maybe just after massaging my head a bunch, I'm not sure. Feel like it's all loose. >> You feel like your scalp is coming off. >> Yeah, it's sliding around. It's great. I I think I now think that a lot of problems people have in life are due to scalp tension. You should be loosening the scalp. >> True. >> It's really funny because there's like somewhere between five to a dozen

06:05 single issues that people will become really obsessed with. I feel like you've you've come on to like four or three or or five of these um where you get into this thing and then you start going like no no no every problem in society is actually caused by scalp tension bro you're like we could >> well the thing is for any one person it's true right like you have one thing that's causing 90% of your problems you might not have found it yet but there there is a bucket of like 10 of these things that cover 98% of society and you just have to like pretend that all of them are equally as important so that everyone tries all of them to figure out which one their big one is. But like yeah, I mean for the most part like we don't really have unique problems, I

06:50 don't think. So Lucas will come out on the side of uh you don't have unique problems. I'm going to do the opposite here. I'm going to say your problems are very unique and only you have them. You're a special little snowflake. I think it's it's just always better to tell people who are your clients that they're like special snowflakes and that they have uniquely difficult and unsolvable problems that have >> Yeah. I mean, obviously, it's a much better thing if you're trying to sell them overpriced consulting services that go on forever, right? >> Yes. Not to like say it out loud. But

07:36 you can just see a morality meter. Like imagine a morality meter. You see mine and then you see SAS and which which bar is [ __ ] green? I've become very enamored with going to supermarkets that have like warehouses that are just warehouse supermarkets just like the Costco basically. I I love this [ __ ] dude. It does something to me. getting getting like two weeks of show. >> I can feel our audience right now. Like guys, leave a comment if you're excited for us to do our fifth Costco based episode on the plausibly deniable podcast. >> I think the answer is actually yes. >> I think I just >> Leave a comment. Leave a comment if you've been waiting. You guys commented positively. You like the return guest in

08:21 Kofifianon. Do you like the return subject matter in Costco part seven? The boys talk about cost. >> Dude, there's just something to knowing that I'm getting a wholesale price that really does it for me, bro. >> And then I will buy >> I will buy a amount of [ __ ] I will buy a lifetime supply of detergent if you tell me you're knocking 10% off, dude. I will straighten it by gallons, tons, tons of detergent. >> This is actually why so the other the other product that Triblue sent me was there they have some sort of like a beef tallow like natural soap thing. Uh it's

09:08 like made the way that soap used to be made back in the old days with sodium hydroxide which is like the most uh it's like the most costic I guess it's not costic that's ad it's like a very it's lie basically like if you pour this stuff on your hand in a severe concentration it just dissolves a hole in you. Uh this is the stuff that like there's a lot of murder mysteries where they're like [ __ ] what do we do with the body bro? and it's like you just put in a bathtub filled with this stuff and it dissolves. But if you have a very small concentration, it apparently makes for nice soap. Uh, but I don't even know how to like review that soap because I've been using the same Dove soap for like the same type of Dove soap for literally

09:53 the last like 25 years of my life because in college I bought a mega supply from Costco. Like I bought an enormous in like probably like 500 something bars of soap during one of their sales because I was like this is too cheap to not just buy like 60 pounds of soap. Uh and so that's literally the only experience I have with soap for the last I don't know 15 years of my life probably. >> Yeah. I've never become one of those like big soap guys or whatever. I'm still using normal. I'm still probably getting uh heavy metals in my in my shampoo in my hair. So, your brain is blue and my brain is has like uh aluminum and [ __ ] on it probably to be honest.

10:38 I don't even know what the normal soap is made out of. The idea that they are making it out of organic ingredients though does imply that the market has shifted towards inorganic soaps. And I will say also, it's like uh the Dove soap that I have, the problem is it smells all weird and perfumey and [ __ ] And this one doesn't have any sort of strange smells, which is epic. Like I don't I don't like smelling like perfume. I don't like cologne or any of this other stuff. I would prefer to just be like, you know, we go like undercover here. Like I don't need people to be like, "Oh, that's the smell of this guy." Like I I'm fine just not having like a signature smell. >> Okay. I don't know. I've I've uh I've just never been into that. I did once I did once uh when I was living somewhere for a year and a half, I did set up like

11:25 one of those water filtration. I wasn't doing your level of water filtration. I was not like readding the things back in, but I was removing a lot of the things from the water. Um most because I wasn't drinking that water. I was just using it to like clean my hands and wash my scalp. Um, and then I I figured out how to get like the the municipality had like very bad water pressure and so I was getting like my own tank of water and then my own water pressure that would work even if the power I just I went like turbo autism mode and then I I I got like a plumber that my family had used for a very long time and I was like dude like what's the best shower head and he just gave me an amazing shower head and oh my

12:10 I had the best showers cars ever. And now I'm spoiled. Now I always complain about the water pressure every time. Never improve anything in your life because you'll get used to it and then when you don't have it anymore for some reason, it'll feel bad. Like you >> there are so many hobbies that are based off of this principle just like destroying your life, right? Like do you remember when everyone became like an audio file and they were like, "Yeah, man. Like I paid $7,000 for these weird headphones cuz they have like an electrostatic membrane and a weird amplifier that sounds super lifelike. And then uh every time they heard music that wasn't on these $7,000 headphones, they'd be like, "Dude, the how do you guys tolerate the bass on this?" And the treble is so it's overly bright. There's

12:57 too much sibilance and you're just like, "Can you enjoy anything now?" Or did you paid $7,000 to ruin your entire life? >> It unironically ruins your whole life. Do you remember when you could listen to music on a on an iPhone or an iPod without earbuds in? You were like, "Wow, this sounds pretty awesome, man." >> Uh, no. Because I destroyed my ability to enjoy music with the $7,000 headphones. I was talking about myself. That was a story about me. >> So, I had Did you ever have the overear ones that are like really big so they don't smush your ears and then you can never wear normal headphones again? even because they feel like they're smooshing your ear in. >> Yep. >> Dude, that one that is a crazy night and day because you unironically cannot wear overear headphones that aren't the goofy

13:43 and they look so >> We should wear those on the podcast instead of the AirPods. >> We shouldn't do I shouldn't say we because it's just me and then it's another one of those things where everyone comments and they say, "Wow, nice gay headphones, Lucas. You look awesome. You look like a winner today. And SA's sitting there wearing the exact same headphones, but nobody's making fun of him because he won't [ __ ] dox. >> Dude, you know what? Um, what I actually want to talk about, I find myself very bored of almost every debate that people that like normies are getting into nowadays because I just don't I just don't care anymore because it's the same argument for the past eight years and neither side is willing to acknowledge any point that the other side's making.

14:29 Like AI safety is the perfect thing here. Everyone is talking past each other on AI safety. Like there's no I mean wherever you stand, no one is like acknowledging the other side's points, right? Like the AI safety people are like, "Oh, we're all going to die if we don't pause. So obviously you have to pause." And then the other people are going, "You're lying and you want to make money off of this, so I'm going to ignore you and you're unpatriotic and I hate you because you want to limit the things I can do." And there's not actually an argument. Like I I find myself more interested in like talking about like veganism or like creationism now. Like like I want to go back to like 2001 era like Reddit atheist debates, bro. I I just don't uh I don't know, man. I'm I'm past the discourse

15:14 happening on Twitter, dude. >> I need I need some other topics. >> Everything that everyone's talked about has just been like like it was uh are women allowed to kill their babies? And now it's like, is the Terminator going to come to life and kill us all? And like, every time I open my Twitter app and I see something that isn't about markets, I'm like, this is just completely useless. Like, I just don't give a [ __ ] about this at all. I actually I actually, dude, it's gotten to such a point where I'm actually like, wow, it's awesome that crypto is back because AI now, all of this AI dumerism stuff has made it so boring for me that uh like it's just it's no longer epic. Like I'm no longer thinking about like Dyson spheres and like humans populating the galaxy with their supercomputers or whatever. I'm just imagining I'm

16:00 imagining like some sort of uh like Camala Harris type figure coming out. I think I'm pronouncing her name wrong. I'm not doing it out of disrespect. I just genuinely don't know how to say it. >> Uh but I've only read it on the internet, guys. Like I don't actually watch the news. Uh anyway, I'm imagining her coming out and saying like, uh, yeah, we have to regulate your AIS because they're generating too many photos of women in bikinis or whatever. Uh, just super dumb. >> I think AOC is unironically going to win the Democratic primary, by the way. Pretty crazy. >> Yeah, she would definitely ban all AI, right?

16:45 >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean my >> or say like AI has to give you every AI company has to pay the US taxpayer $500 trillion dollars for every1 billion dollars they make. >> I don't know. I just think it's pretty crazy that AOC is like a like AOC is not like a serious politician in my mind. You know what I mean? >> What is a serious politician? We're post we're posts serious politics. >> Well, no, that's not true. I feel like Marco Rubio is like a serious politician. I guess Marco Rubio kind of like grandfathered in. >> Well, yeah, that's kind of fair. >> There's all these old people a lot clearly. >> There's all these old people or people who got in during the old regime that it's like it's fine, I guess. Like we'll tolerate you kind of like olding around and stuff like that, but

17:32 well, he's kind of gotten a new lease on life. Like he's de I mean, he's definitely changed his politics quite a bit since like Trump Trump v2 one. He's like a lot a lot more based. Um like all the Venezuela [ __ ] he he c I don't think he would have been in favor of that prior. He would have been like, "Oh, we can't do that. We have to talk to an international board of appeal or something. We can't just fly in and and nab their guy." No. I think um it weirdly feels like the Democrats have no great uh politicians to run. And I I think historically it always didn't have anybody. >> Dude, Marco Rubio is great. JD Vance needs to lose weight for like a longer

18:19 period of time. Um, and like learn to not shut out so much in public. But I I think JD Vance and Marco Rubio are like great candidates on I think Marco Rubio is a great candidate. I'm going to be honest. I'm like I just don't pay any attention to politics. So me saying that they are or aren't good is not a reflection of like what I actually think based on observing them. It's like I've been so checked out of politics for so long now. I think the average person has kind of hit this wall, right? I don't know anyone who still really cares that much about politics after the Iran war. It was we've every one of these most recent political incidents we've had has been one of those grinder type things where you can just feel public sentiment like leaving. It's not even like the

19:04 public sentiment is negative. It's like they've left the theater checking out. Yeah. >> Yeah. They're like I just don't give a [ __ ] man. Like how many times can we end or restart the Iran war. We're like opening and closing the straight like once every other week. All of this is fake obviously, right? Like the announcements when we get told that it's over are obviously fake because it's still going on 10 months later. How do you even do serious commentary on this this event going on right on the Iran stuff? Do you want to hear the funniest latest development for the Iran? So I almost said when you were earlier like I don't follow the news. I was like you get your news from the plausibly deniable podcast and you are one of the two hosts of the plausibly deniable.

19:51 It's actually true. You get your news mostly via like me saying [ __ ] on the podcast. >> Yeah. I'm like, Shayla, explain to me the war now. Explain why. >> So, the the latest thing, by the way, is that the Houthies are now saying that they are on the Israeli and American side. What are the Houthies? >> The Houthies are like the militia that, you know, the desert people in Star Wars >> with like the the rifle, the robots and stuff. >> Yes. It's like imagine those people. >> But yeah, apparently the the Houthies are now saying um that the Israeli and

20:37 American ships can pass. >> So what does this change? >> Uh the ships can pass now. So which means >> the ship's already been I I just don't Everyone is like, "Oh, the the straights been closed. There's no But" But it's like it's obviously fine, right? like it's been allegedly closed and unclosed like six million times in the last two weeks. >> All right, we're back. So, apparently what happened in the in the Middle East is that the the Houthies were overrunning the Saudi bases so quickly because the Saudis just straight up were lying about how many people they had in the military because they were getting like more weapons and more money from the US and their partners, I think, in exchange. So, they were just lying like

21:23 straight up. It it's like the population lies that we talk about where like the world population numbers are obviously fake except like the the military was fake. >> Super awesome. >> Oh, you don't want to start launching missiles at us? We have 102 million defense drones, right? >> Okay. So, you were asking what's happened recently. There has been one amazing happening. Remember the Lindsey Clansancy trial? Okay. Yeah. What about it? >> So, there was one juror who uh did not who did not want to acquit her and everyone was like, "This [ __ ] white male. These white males are always destroying justice in our country."

22:09 Like, all of the liberals were very mad at this one juror. And then it turns out to have been a black guy. And the Tik Tok comments were just like flabbergasted. They had no idea what to do about this. Uh they just had no mental defense for being being betrayed by somebody who was on their own team. I like I like that he he uh voted guilty and so now they're like combing through his personal record and like releasing on the news like this guy hasn't paid his child support. This guy's about to get kicked out of his house. It's like the one time the left is ever coming out. And you know, every other time, every other time they've had some left-wing martyr, uh, and then the right-wing will say, "Well, but like

22:55 this guy pointed a gun at like a pregnant woman. Like, how can he really be that much of a sympathetic character?" And they're like, "You go, that was in the past. Like, he's completely changed now." But with this guy, they're like, "Everything that he ever did must be held against him for the rest of his life >> because I think it's also, how the [ __ ] did they even figure out who it is, right? Wasn't all of this like leaked in some illegal proceeding? You're not allowed to tell everyone who tell anybody. Yes, technically you can't you're not supposed to identify any of these people. >> But we just gave up on we're like Yeah, this was a this was a big trial. For big trials, if somebody doesn't juror the right way, you're allowed to send their information to the public. >> I think it's also really funny. I was like looking back through some of the OJ

23:40 Simpson trial stuff and some of the black women that were on the jury were basically after like like yeah man we voted to acquit because this is like what white America deserves and yeah they just straight up they just straight up said we did this because uh we're racist against you like we did this because we hate you. >> Yeah. And so I I think it'll be pretty awesome if like 20 years from now the women on the Clansancy trial just go, "Yeah, man. I did this because I hate I hate men and I think women should be allowed to children whenever we want." >> Didn't they already do that kind of? >> Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of jumping the gun. They're doing it like now, not 20 years later. I think we've talked about this a little bit before, but every

24:25 single day now I'm going out to the Starbucks and I'm working from the Starbucks, right? And what do I hear in the Starbucks, right? Like what are the normal people talking about do you think? >> Uh I don't know what normal people I mean did you like eavesdrop on normal people? >> Well it's it's less e I calling it eavesdropping makes me feel a little weird and creepy, right? I'm not just some old man sitting in a Starbucks filled with college women eavesdropping on the >> You're I'm feeling very judged. Say hello. >> Yeah. Like I that's such a negative that's such a bad faith interpretation of what's going on here. >> And I'll have you know I talk to them sometimes. So it's not like I'm just sitting there. I talk to the college

25:11 women too. So I'm not just over here. >> Well that makes it much better. Yeah. There you go. >> No, but they they just talk about exactly what all of the women on Twitter talk about, right? It's like, "Oh, [ __ ] touch grass. This is so on like they're all you touch the grass and everyone is talking about the same shit." They're like, "Oh, did you see in the trial and there's that evil man who didn't vote the right way and like or recently recently?" So, do you know what I did today? I went to a barbecue. Do you know what they were talking about at the barbecue? >> No. What? >> Oh, did you see that Daario and Sam Olman and Elon are all coming together to agree that we need to do AI safety? They were like, you know, I would have voted to slow this stuff down before

25:57 they all agreed on it. But when all those [ __ ] tech moguls are on the same side, that makes me think that they're trying to [ __ ] us, so we probably don't need any of this AI safety. >> Did someone actually say this? >> I'm just in disbelief. Did someone actually say this? No, the conversation the conversation basically went there was one of their wives who said uh they were like, "Wow, it's great that all of these guys this they're finally taking a reasonable stance to like slow the data center build out and stuff like that. That's" And then one of their husbands was like, "Yeah, sweetie. I don't think they're agreeing. I don't think they're agreeing because they're trying to help you." Uh and then all the other guys, they're like sitting there sipping their beers and likem these guys agree it's not not good for

26:43 us. the yeah sweetie through you like reveals a level of disdain that existed in the original Yeah sweetie like like babe you're embarrassing me with how you are it was yeah I mean her her take was pretty bad right it was like all like the billionaires were all trying to kill us but now they they've reversed and they love us again for some reason you're like I don't know it doesn't make any sense sweetie Dude, my take is they just want to stop spending money training new models. Dude, that's my take. Like I think Anthropic is going to do this thing where they're going to try to IPO and they're going to try to do their IPO saying like, well, if you don't

27:28 count training new models and you don't count buying GPUs because those are assets that appreciate anyways, then we basically have like 80% margin. And then the market will go, well, yeah, but you have to train the models and that's super expensive. and then they'll go, "Well, no, we don't have to train the models actually anymore." And then they get regulatory capture. So, that's my that's my uh read of it. They just want to IPO. >> Yeah. I mean, at this point, it's it's looking increasingly clear that all of this stuff that all these people are doing has to be financially motivated in some way. Uh >> dude, the other is there are some interesting conspiracy theories like there was a day maybe a week or two ago where basically all of the major AI providers had their sites go down and you couldn't access them. Uh, and everyone was like, "What the

28:14 [ __ ] happened there?" And so there's a bunch of conspiracy theories where people are saying that uh oh something on that day there was a mega hack on that day something dark and spooky happened and that's why all of them agree we need to slow the AIS down. They're going too fast. I Okay, I think something that's a little bit disturbing now is it's becoming increasingly clearer to me that uh it's financially beneficial for basically all of the large AI labs to do this safety regulatory capture thing, right? Uh like enough of them are all in on this that it's like clearly there must be a financial upside. Uh, and so now I'm assuming that if there isn't anything that's spooky enough to scare people into doing it, they're just going

28:59 to manufacture some false flag where they create like the Terminator 2. Like they're going to be like, "Oh, the AI hacked the US fighter jet and it almost nuked Donald Trump." Like, isn't that scary? Like you guys, >> if they do something like that, that is 100% a false flag because that's the kind of [ __ ] that's like very highly visible and like fundamentally understandable to the normie brain. um while not actually being anything that AI would do. Like what AI would do is like find some open- source software that exists in like 90% of military computers and install a back door or something like a fundamentally much more mundane vector of attack than like >> but I mean there are multiple there are multiple lab employees who came out these last few days saying stuff like uh

29:45 >> I don't know I just have a feeling that it's going to get regulated after something horrible that happens in the next few months. And it's like you see multiple different lab employees saying that same thing and you're like the hairs on the back of your neck start getting a little bit of a tingle, right? It's like that's a very specific timeline. That's a very that's a very uh specific thing for you to all agree on. Yeah. I don't know. It's getting moderately worrying, but I don't know what you're going to I mean, what do you do about it? >> Yeah. All of this stuff also is so much out of the realm where I can episodes where we talk about chicken more because I think those are much more actionable like

30:30 >> you can you can increase or decrease your consumption of chicken you can't really however if you do want to listen to AI you you can kind of hear when I do my call to action voice have you noticed that I have like a >> call to action voice >> well we're both still in the phase where we're so like we haven't done it enough times that it's like we can just unironically self-promote. So, we have to make it this goofy fake ad thing still where we're like, >> "Yeah." Anyways, remember to click the likes and the subscribes. >> Anyways, if you want more episodes where we have information that's actionable on AI, I believe by the time this episode

31:15 comes out, we'll have bonus episodes on our substack. Four more bonus episodes up. >> Four bonus episodes. >> Look at that. >> Oh my. Look at the way he's moving his fingers. Holy. >> Yeah. Doesn't that make you want to buy? >> I can feel the dollars flowing from your bank account into my bank account. >> Don't consider it buying. Okay. Don't we don't want to label it. Okay. We don't want >> transfer of funds. >> Consider it consider it an investment in in >> minor liquidity deviation. The markets are reallocating. >> I really think people were very unfair to that guy. What was the name of the guy with a Ferrari in the garage who's like, "This is my Ferrari in the garage." >> Ty Lopez.

32:00 >> You know what's more valuable than that? Knowledge. That's why I have these books. And then he turns around. Oh my god. It's just It's just one of the greatest gags ever done, dude. What a [ __ ] genius, bro. And like the whole premise that like owning a bunch of books makes you really knowledgeable is also the funniest [ __ ] ever, dude. Cuz everyone I know who buys a bunch of books is a total [ __ ] larer. Like complete larer, dude. Dude, I have I have the most epic LAR shelf of all time. I need to show it to you. It's literally like uh it's like the Ted Kazinski books. There's like a few of them. Then you have the Bronze Age, the Bronze Age books, Bronze Age Mindset and uh whatever BAP's other one is the long

32:45 one. Uh and then you have the Mike Ma books and then how to choose the gender of your baby. And then it's a history of centralized banking and finance written by a conspiracy theorist. And then it's a book about microchips that was given to me by an Amish man who said that 5G was actually an attempt maybe it was co it was one of those other things where he's like they're going to put the chips in you. Yeah, we should think. Do we want to do like more timeless episodes? Because the problem is if if you're talking about current events, you can like do relevant titles that people search up and they find you on Twitter when you're streaming. But like the problem is uh then you become current event slop because every current event is just worse than every timeless subject by virtue of it being a current event. >> Yes. The nice thing about current events

33:31 is they keep the current events keep happen. I keep getting older and the >> right but nobody will ever look up like nobody is ever going to [ __ ] look up if we were to do an entire episode about like the Lindsy Clansancy trial. Nobody will ever look that up again ever in a million years. >> Yeah. >> Right. If we were to do if we were to do an episode about if we were to do an episode about which which cuts of chicken are the best if you are going to cook them in AI, >> that's a timeless episode. You could reference that. The the total actionable marketplace of of that uh tweet, you know, that episode is in the trillions. It's worth trillions of dollars. That knowledge >> knowledge really is the only thing that you should be buying other than, you know, this is another this is another point I was making. Crypto is going good. Everyone is everyone is feeling

34:16 very financially secure recently. Uh markets are hot, etc., etc. But like they're just buying watches and [ __ ] This is the dumbest thing to spend money on. You all have you all have so many things that could change your life more than a watch, right? Like we were talking about how everybody has their weird health problems. Like there's almost a 100% chance that you have some weird nutrient deficiency that's murking half of your hormones. There's a good chance that you have either sleep apnnea or like a deviated septum or some other thing that like a minor surgery could fix. Like imagine if you go and you spend like it's like a third of a Rolex or something on a septtolasty to correct your deviated septum and now you get better sleep for the rest of your life and like you unfuck your blood pressure because of that. You get better uh you

35:03 you like decrease your chance of stroke and all heart injuries. Uh you increase your IQ because sleep deprivation makes you an idiot. Uh you unfuck your hormone. Like it's just there's so many things that will actually genuinely make your life better. And people spend their money on like, "Dude, I hit a fat lick. I got a [ __ ] 14 karat gold Cuban chain. I've I've never been a chain guy, man. I almost became a watch guy. I almost Did I tell you this? Last time I was in in uh in New York on my last day there, I went I I happened to be walking around and I came across a watch store and I walked in and I saw this beautiful Date Just um that was in pretty good condition and I I was very very very

35:48 close to buying it and then I was like, "Well, can you guys take cash for it?" And they were like, "No." And then I was like, "Never mind. I'm not buying this. [ __ ] you." And I left. You can't ever be a watch guy because you're too uh you're not Sigma enough unironically. Like you're gonna constantly you're gonna constantly walk around feeling watchmogged when somebody has a more expensive watch than you. And when one of the one of the watch guys makes a comment about how his watch is like more expensive than yours, you're going to feel like you have a small watch penis and it will eat at you for the next week. >> I'm not like that. I would I would feel mogged if someone's like, "Oh, your watch is like a normie watch and my watch is like a goated niche niche." >> Yeah, that's the thing. Like you you can't just say, "I like the watch and so

36:35 [ __ ] you." Like you're not at the point where you're secure enough in your tastes that you can just say like, "No, actually, you know, it's like the truck guys. They're like, "Oh, you got a Ford. Nice Ford. Like I drive the GMC, right? You're gay. I'm I'm a Chad. You're just supposed to bullpost whatever your choice is. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't I I I I just I don't think I was ready for it. I I think fundamentally I'm still in the camp of like a watch just feels like really dumb way to spend money. Um and I I think more I was coping and I was like looking for a reason not to purchase the watch when I was saying like, oh, like, oh, [ __ ] you. I can't pay cash. I'm not buying this anymore. And so I I think that was more it than anything else.

37:20 like I I deep down I didn't really want to buy the watch. I think >> looping it back around circling back as one might say actually to my previous thing you were talking about how people like avoiding things. They look they look for uh reasons to not do the thing. >> Yep. >> This happens all the time with surgeries too. Like if you go and like I was mentioning I was mentioning the septtolasty where it's like if you have a deviated septum you can correct it uh so you can breathe better, right? You can get good air flow out of both nostrils for once in your life. Uh, but people will go and they'll read a bunch of reviews of this and they'll be like, "Dude, I found this one guy who refuses to post any pictures or give us details about his name saying that he had a horrendous experience with this surgeon and they just cut his nose off and they wouldn't sew it back on or give it back

38:05 to him. So, I'm not going to do it because what if they cut my nose off?" >> It's like, I guess, man, >> you found the one negative review where the guy got his nose stolen. That's it debunks the surgery. I mean, getting your nose stolen is like pretty humiliating, though. No. >> Right. But like, okay, anytime I read a negative review for a surgeon, I'm always like, cuz the type of people who get elective surgeries are uh they're populated by insane people frequently. And so, you can have some guy who uh you know, I talk to a surgeon. If you ever have an elective surgeon, talk to him about some of his most ridiculous patients. And like you'll have some guy say like, "Yeah, I gave this guy a jaw surgery and

38:50 uh one day later he checks himself out of the hotel and then he goes and he eats a steak after I told him you're not allowed to eat hard food for like 18 weeks and then he ripped out all of the stuff that I did and he came back and then sued me." And like that's what that's what these people are, right? Like you get negative reviews from people who just don't listen to any of the aftercare treatment and then say like he scammed me because I couldn't eat a steak the day after he did the surgery. Or you get people who say like, "Dude, I got an I got a bacterial infection and they had to cut off my arm." And they're like, "Well, did you take the prescribed antibiotics?" And they're like, "Well, I took them for the first two days, but I

39:35 forgot about them after that." You know, I think it's the same thing as those studies where they say that, oh yeah, condoms are only like 80% effective even when used properly. And it's just like that's just not true. Like it's just it's just completely not true. They're very very effective when used properly. The pull out method is 100% effective if done properly, but like >> you're just not doing it properly. >> All of these things, it's like condom use. all all of these uh I remember looking through these graphs and I was like no way this is true like this is just obviously not correct and it's like all of these the way they measure it is like one year of usage with the typical level of sophistication of like the normal user which just means like a mouth breathing completing all over the

40:22 floor. So like you just none of these studies are useful at all. We need like a like a sane like a sane thinking man study on everything compared to like the the normal things. Well, this actually applies to basically all of medicine also. Uh because it's not just it's not just like people following up on treatments, but there's also like side effects, you know, and a lot of these side effects are self-reported. So, if you have a population that largely doesn't notice anything that's happening, right? Most people if they get a headache will actually just report not having a headache. Like they don't notice the headache, right? Or like a lot of people they have an elevated heartbeat. Uh they don't they don't notice. If a lot of people like, "Oh, did you experience anxiety?" They what

41:08 does that mean? You know, so how do you report it as a side effect now? So all of the side effects and complications are just inherently a little wonky. And then you have all complications are more likely if they involve like patient care that somebody is failing to do themselves. Um yeah I I mean people are just stupid man like that. I don't know. I just no longer think that any of science is actually interesting or any I >> I'm so that they don't do things like nobody does >> nobody does anything. Nobody does anything. No. No. Also, have you noticed that no studies anymore actually look at

41:54 like mechanisms? Like they're never like, "Well, we think Affected B because of this specific uh order of steps." And so then we went and we tried it. They just go like, "Well, we think Affects B because look, there's some, you know, correlation between the two." >> Yeah. We overlaid the graphs and they both tend to go up in unison. >> Yes. And it's like once you learn how to manipulate the graphs, it's it's pretty laughable the idea that the graphs mean anything at all. >> Yeah. >> I I am like very mechanism build both in like biology, economics, finance, uh in almost every field I am like increasingly more and more like mechanism. I care more about like like basically I'm like I'm just not empirics

42:40 uh pill anymore. I don't believe in like empirical knowledge as a as a way to like learn. And this sounds really stupid, but I legitimately no longer believe in like empirical. So, a great example is like the COVID shot, right? Like people would say that like, oh, look, there's all these studies with a COVID shot. And the problem is there's so many co-founders that it's not useful at all. Whereas like if someone can if some schizophrenic can tell me like look there's this mechanism by which the mRNA is all being deposited into your reproductive organs. I'm like well he's got a mechanism man. So I'm like pretty inclined to believe him now. I I just like no longer care at all when it comes to uh when it comes to empirical like number proving of things. I'm completely

43:26 beyond this which is not a great sign for me to be honest but >> I don't know. I I've gotten into the uh category of like I just assume that I have to go and ask any doctor about like I need you to realistically like tell me like your estimate for me personally, right? Like you have to just go to a go to a doctor that you trust actually and say like you've seen a bajillion people based on the people like me. Do you think this is going to work or do you think this is going to ruin my life forever? >> I I don't know. Oh, I mean my problem is I just don't trust doctors. I think a lot of doctors are like fundamentally evil. Um to be fair, the idea of going through med school for the modern version of what a doctor is in terms of

44:12 like how much you get paid and how respected you are in >> the only reason you would ever do it is if you're sort of mediocre and you >> you have to be like a I don't even think mediocre like you have to be some kind of powertripping freak. Like whether it's for good or bad, you are like a power tripping freak, right? We should have a doctor on the the podcast. >> I actually know a very good I know a doctor that we could have on. I think uh from old bodybuilding.com days. >> We should 100% have that person on for sure. Yes, >> dude. Surgeons are just the most base doctors of all time because all other doctors exist in some sort of like uh like we've started doing medical social science with a lot of this stuff, but surgery is just like you can't fraud it,

44:57 bro. Like you're cutting their legs off. You're replacing their patella and [ __ ] You're uh you're making the you're making the incels six inches taller. Like they're either six inches taller or they're not, bro. Like it's the proof's in the pudding. We really should, the reality is we should move to like doing one hour episodes and do like 1.5 episodes per week. This would just clearly be much better. >> We'll have that one guy whose only comment is like getting mad at like the lack of length >> of the length of the episodes. Yeah. >> Yeah. He's going to be like, "Wow, this podcast just keeps getting worse and worse. It's shorter up every time."

45:43 Well, here's the thing with that guy, okay? I would challenge that guy to go through like, has he really listened to every minute of every episode of the podcast? Because we I mean, we have the numbers for this, the reality is the average viewer, while they do listen to our thing much more than they do for other comparable channels. Well, they don't go back to our earlier episodes usually, right? Like you can look at the rate of increase in views of our very first episode. Although I will say our first episode, maybe they just they didn't like watching the episode without my face specifically, but >> the first reason the first episode was not very good. >> The first episode specifically >> episode was really [ __ ] funny. It was just poorly produced. >> It was Yeah, but it was awful

46:29 production. Like really bad production. >> Do the Do they care? Does anyone care about production? Like let's let's leave some comments below. Do you care about the production value of the plausibly deniable experience or is it more about is it more about the stories, bits, and energy that we bring to bear on the show for you guys? >> People People will say they don't care about production, but it's just not it's just unironically not true. Like they have >> I love I love the way I love the way that like you know the meme of all girls don't know what they want, right? Nobody knows what they want. Consumers broadly don't know what they want. This is the most This is the most repeatable thing in business is you'll have some guy who he's like, "Yo, I'm going to make this business idea. I'm going to tweet reply if you would like me to release this product and if you will purchase it."

47:15 And everyone's like, "Bro, that sounds so [ __ ] epic. Definitely make the product." And then everyone trolls him into spending like 15 weeks, thousands of dollars starting this company. And then he releases it and he's like, "All right, so I have 1,000 people that said guaranteed they will buy this." Uh, but it appears that only two people have ordered my product and one was my wife. Can anyone explain the discrepancy between these numbers and like just everyone is like ah like it was the idea like I liked the idea of supporting you but when it came down to actually supporting you I'm not sure I'm that I'm not that bold up on it man. I'm sorry. >> So the funny thing is that that is always what happens. What happens is people scam the business starter except the the brilliant people at Kickstarter

48:01 manage to do the opposite where it's like the business owner always scams the customers because it's the only platform where it's like the other way. It's like okay you want me to make the product. All right, pay me a bunch of money and I'll go make the product and then they never make the product. Like never ever do they make the product. Like you are hardressed to find a Kickstarter that is not effectively a scam. I've purchased several Kickstarters that were very good products and I would like to promote them now. I there actually were some good Kickstarters, man. They've gotten better because everybody realized that they were scams so they started doing slightly more due diligence on the Kickstarters. Leave a comment below if you've >> Leave a comment below explaining what

48:46 your favorite Kickstarter is, what the company uh head is, and whether they can send us a sample for review, and uh whether or not you felt it was a scam, was your experience with this product a scam, or was it legitimate? I'm becoming a worse a worse host because I keep finding our own bits too funny and then I I laugh too hard at our own [ __ ] bits. Like I'm I'm here. >> Frankly, I don't think it's possible for you to become a worse host, SA. I think you're being unfair to yourself.

49:39 The [ __ ] anonymous penguin. Listen, the penguin the penguin is powerful. >> The penguin stays on. The penguin stays on during during sex. some some like eagirl DMing and like oh like sending like a photo and then you just send back your profile picture. You like you you get you get her in the house, right? And you take off your shoes and just huge flippers come out. Dude, you know what would be an even funnier bit? you doing this? Like she she knows what you look like, but she's

50:24 like DMing you photos of her and then you just like she keeps implying she wants to see you and you just send her your PF and it's like she knows what you look like and then she's like, "Oh, why? Like can you just send me a picture of you?" And you're like, I can't because of OBS sec. >> Dude, we should have bought we while I was saying like you just can't sell Zcash. We should have just bought everything like every every >> go up. >> Yeah, it went from like 10:30 to like 1115. Hype is ripping up. Like everything is just if the Clarity Act goes through, I think we just up really hard, man. Like

51:10 ETH, I think. >> It's pretty stupid, actually. like it. >> What is the clarity? I don't even know what it is. >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's what I mean. That's why it's like really stupid. >> So, what you're saying, I mean, we can keep this in. So, the the grand cosmic irony of the situation is there's an act called the Clarity Act, and it's just vague posting. >> Yes, it's completely vague posting. Yes, >> it's all >> We've got to pass this. We've got to pass this act. We must pass this dubious legislation. >> It's important for things to become more more vague and for judges to have more unexamined powers over the laws. It's kind of crazy. At some point, the legal

51:55 the legislative branch of government just gave up and became like reality TV and the judicial branch and the executive branch basically inherited all the powers. Except in the executive branch, you're not allowed to do anything anymore because the judicial branch also has checks on that. So the judicial branch is just extremely overpowered right now. It's it's very interesting actually. >> Yeah. At a time when it's like uh jury trial just clearly doesn't work. Like we've basically we've basically moved collectively past the point where smart people in society think that it's possible for jury trial to continue functioning in America, right? like we can all just accept that we know that every group just votes for their own team at this point.

52:42 >> Uh yeah, I I don't I don't think it's fixable. I'm going to be honest. >> Like the entire you can you can just predetermine every trial by saying like, oh, like I know that this demographic will agree with this side, so I'm going to try and put as many of them in as I can so that I win. Right? And if you can do that, like if you can just manipulate the juror breakdown of every trial to completely manipulate the outcomes procedurally, then it's like, what is even the point of any of this? I keep coming back to this one BAB tweet, which will have to be bleeped out on the podcast, but it's like, get up at 5:00 a.m. in the morning, quaff Duncan, come back to fat wife. Like, is this not better than this? And it's like, he has a point, bro.

53:27 like more and more I keep coming back to this. What were we talking about before this? We What are some good normie topics we should start doing? There's no movies that are going to come out as far as I can tell. Uh the closest thing that I saw to a movie was Sydney Sweeney doing some like erotic ad uh for like a sports betting thing. I saw this too. I'm just kind of uh it's kind of amazing that Sydney Sweeney is somehow escaping the eyeire of like the feminists. Uh it is very surprising to me because she's doing a level of >> she's basically doing Trump family level grifting uh but while supporting everything that they hate.

54:13 >> I'm just very surprised that Sydney Sweeney doesn't get more flak. Maybe she does get a water flag and she's just like powering through it. And >> that's the other thing. Like I was going to weigh in and then I was just like I don't even know actually. Like I'm not exposed I'm not exposed to the Sydney Sweeney fandom enough to let you know whether they like or dislike her. I don't see any of these people in any discourse ever. My only barometer for this stuff is the girls at Starbucks. And they've they've all just been talking about Lindsay Clancy for the last like month. The girls at What do the girls at Starbucks think about uh not Lindsy Clanszy, but something else? >> They literally only talk about like Lindsy Clanszy Starbucks orders and like class stuff, you know. So, speaking of chicken,

54:58 actually, I did get I did get a lot of chicken recently, a lot of chicken quarters, and I cooked them the way that I used to back in the day, which is just tossing them on a uh tossing them on a metal grill, putting a pan below them to collect the fat, and then literally crusting them in salt, like just covering them in salt, and then convection baking them, basically air frying them. Uh, and that [ __ ] just mogs, man. That is like that is some good old [ __ ] middle American absolute like chicken slop. So good. It's like an instant 2xing in your blood pressure uh from all the salt. The fat definit and it's not like this isn't even like the healthy kind of fat. This is just straight up like whatever they're feeding chickens is the worst

55:44 possible food that you could ever eat, right? Like they're trying to get these things as big as possible within like six weeks. So, I it can't be that good for you. Uh, but it really tastes good. Yeah, I I haven't made any innovations in in food since our last chicken episode. I've kind of realized I've topped out. It's food only gets so good and I'm at the top of the game. And like chicken, baked chicken with lemon is just up there as one of the greatest foods ever. And I I don't know I'm if I'm going to if it's going to get a lot better than that to be honest. >> It's like you're the amount of effort >> completely odd. >> The amount of effort that you put into it versus the amount of tastiness that you get out is just completely goated

56:29 and you have uh >> it's like a two-minute prep, man. It's actually amazing. Basically, anytime you can get just like warm to hot meat out of the oven uh covered in salt, it's like you're already 80% of the way to the best meal you could ever have, right? Like you can go to a Michelin star restaurant and it's possible that they will serve you a dish that is better than just like a piece of steak straight out of the pan, right? With like completely random seasoning. Yeah. The other thing is, dude, a lot of these like low prep processed foods are actually much more effort to make than other types of food. Like chicken, chicken, banana. Like the other thing I've been doing lately is just eating

57:15 like a whole vegetable. Like I've started eating carrots without peeling them. >> Yeah, you've seen me do that all the time. I think we try and cut it out sometimes, but I'm not sure how diligent our editor is about that. He might have been leaving in all these things where I'm just like eating carrots like a rabbit. But I will very frequently do the thing again here another we're going to make another reference to one of your guys' favorite subjects. Those six pound bags of carrots from Costco. I will go through one of those in a whole day, right? Like that's my if I go shopping and I feel a little bit hungry, that's my [ __ ] snack, bros. I'm getting six pounds of carrots and I will It's only like 900 something calories for six pounds of carrots. And uh they kind of turn you a little bit orange in a way that's like, >> you know, women will mistake women will mistake it for a tan often. Uh I'm not

58:02 saying it happens all the time, but they'll think that you've been going outside. You get all of the upsides of outdoors with none of the risks of actually doing it. >> None of what are some of the risks of of going outside, Lucas? >> Everything Everything is the risk here. Let me go through this. I'll I'll real quick real quick here for you. Okay, so uh you probably know somebody or maybe one of your loved ones has been hit by a drunk driver, right? Where where did that happen? Outside. Maybe you have uh parents who have divorced each other. Where did your dad meet your mom? >> Holy [ __ ] >> Outside. Maybe you've noticed that people have been returning to the house with uh you know fits of coughing, sneezing, or other other signs of illness. Where are

58:49 they returning from? Outside. >> You might have noticed that some of your family members come back and they they act very differently and they don't seem like the same person anymore and you suspect that they've been replaced. Where did that happen? Outside the house. >> Outside the house. >> Going to replace them inside the house. >> It is literally just everything bad happens outside, right? Like 98% of deaths in the US, I'm sure, happened because at some point someone went outside. Uh, all of all everyone everyone too, all the all you looks maxers out there, you've been asking me. I've gotten a lot of comments recently. Lucas, Lucas, what's your skincare routine? Just don't [ __ ] go outside. You're like, oh, like I need to put the vitamin C. No, you don't. Just don't go outdoors. Don't go outside. The sun is the sun is like the opposite of skin

59:35 care. >> Do you actually not go outside very often? I I would have thought you go outside a lot. I don't know why. >> No, I go outside just enough. Uh, if we're being fully honest here, I go outside just enough uh that it's like in the optimal like absorption range for UV and other forms, other wavelengths of light. Uh, I try and do all of my all of my like all of my fishing and all of my like actual outdoorsy hiking hiking [ __ ] I try and do that when it's like non- peak sun hours. >> Huh. I I I go outside just enough that I won't feel like people will make fun of me on the internet for not going outside. That's like that's the >> I love outdoor stuff, but you just don't have to do it while it's bright out. >> Wait, do you actually

1:00:21 fish? I've I've really been into fishing lately. I'm going to be honest with you all. I'm going absolute like >> It's like we're going beyond doing even more normal things. I'm fishing now. Uh >> fish only come out when the sun >> Yeah, fish only come out when the sun's gone because they're concerned. You know, everyone everyone says you eat the fish uh to make your skin look better. And that's because the fish themselves have greatl looking skin. And it's because the fish themselves know you're not supposed to go out when the UV rays are strong. The fish hide floating around in the bottom of the riverbed. >> Very interesting. So, are you doing like just regular normal normal ass fishing? I'm a big fly fishing guy because the problem is with regular fishing, it's too bor It's too boring for me, man. I

1:01:06 can't do regular fishing. I love I love regular fishing, man. There's like a an astrology to it where it's like you have one lure on and you're like casting over here and you're like, "Ah, dude, based on the cloud cover today and the way that the water is kind of swirling and then the temperature, I think actually they don't want this like yellow and red lure. They want my green and like translucent lure and they want it to be over here." So then you cut it off, you tie the new one on, and you go and you toss it out like 50 times. And uh if it doesn't work, then you do the same thing but with a different color, right? And then eventually you have a very >> It's kind of like gambling. >> Fishing is kind of like prehistoric gambling in in a lot of ways, right? >> It is.

1:01:51 >> It's like slot machines. >> Unironically, yes. >> Except there is skill. Like there is a little bit of skill. I've noticed >> everyone at the slot machine. >> The thing the thing with fishing is there's always some eye. He's Asian, but you don't it's not obvious that he's like Japanese or Chinese or Korean. He's some form of Asian that's kind of vague and in between the categories that you may be familiar with. And it's clear that this man like he he lives off of the fish, right? Like he'll have multiple coolers with him. He's feeding his family with the fish. And if you just follow this guy around and you copy him for one week, you will know the secrets of the lake, right? Like the river will be yours. you will be able to rip any fish out of any crevice that you want there because this guy has like

1:02:36 algorithmically solved it all. Uh, and literally every single good fishing point that I've found around my area has one of these Asians. >> I I don't know. I haven't come across a lot of like the Asian people. I I come across a lot of Italians when I go fishing. Like people who are Italian, but they they wouldn't tell you like they they've become just like they call themselves white. You know what I mean? like they're not uh in touch with their roots enough to like consider themselves Italian. >> Italian can really be anything. I've noticed. >> Well, the problem is that southern Italian and northern Italian is fundamentally very different. Like a northern Italian is effectively like a slightly more rambunctious German. Uh a southern Italian is effectively like a

1:03:22 slightly more European African. I I dead pan that one too hard. So you like it took you a second to realize I was kidding. >> Well, it's kind of kidding. >> It's just one of those jokes that I'm always kind of like uh like are we It's like a super lowhanging fruit like oh nobody knows what race the Italians are. Haha. Like it's all are Irish white? Like it's one of these tiers. It's like the safe edgy, right? Like it's not re This is like this is like the type of racism that the left will do and then be like, "No, we make plenty of racial jokes." And then they talk about how the Italians are actually African or something. Does anyone want fun anymore? Like what

1:04:07 do people even do for fun now is the problem. Short form video content. We like speaking of follow our accounts on Instagram and you and YouTube shorts. >> I don't even know if it's worth doing. No, no, no. I don't think we should waste a call to action on uh following our Instagram. I think we should just say subscribe to our YouTube. Cancel that call to action. Cancel it. >> I'm going to start making a bunch of uh YouTube clips of me just sitting here with my iPhone uh super up close to my nose. I'm going to do a maximum angle so that my nose takes up like 45% of the screen because of the fisheye effect. It's mostly just going to be a video of my nose as I make a joke that I think is funny. Maybe you will. Uh and you should subscribe to

1:04:52 find out. Subscribe. Troo won't be in any of them because he refuses to dox the [ __ ] penguin. Okay, we can throw in the penguin. >> I'm going to get I'm going to get like a stuffed penguin and use it to like animate and I'm going to do like a little girlish voice for you. I'm >> I'm SA. I'm a gay penguin. We have gained 30 followers to dude, we have some we have such good YouTube comments now. Like I don't know what's Twitter. The more the more that I look at video medium versus Twitter, it's

1:05:37 just like >> all of our ex comments are some like angry guy who just got off work and he's like, "Lucas, your shirt's gayer than usual today." And it's like [ __ ] why. And anytime also because you're not doxed, anytime anyone gets mad at anything we say, they just start getting they start leveling like, "Oh, Lucas has a gay shirt on today, right?" Like, "Oh, like SA says something that pisses them off." Yeah, nice way to reuse the same stupid shirt, Lucas. >> Dude, I'm just catching all of these stupid strays >> for everything you said. something someone is also saying like being called to action is one of the most positive experiences I ever had. >> Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like on

1:06:23 YouTube you have people saying being called to action by you guys has been one of the most uplifting experiences I have ever had in my life. >> And then on Twitter just being like what you guys are dude I love I love this guy. This guy's literally I have a positive reaction to what you just said. Like there's it's just like good. I like this, dude. Being I just want to be heaven banned, man. I'm going to be honest. Like I just want to be heaven banned. >> Well, do you know what being heavenbanned is? It's just not using X.com, >> right? We could just use any other platform and it's like amazing. Everyone is so nice there. And then you go up

1:07:08 100%. Okay, we have we have the old overlay. Everybody says your overlay looks trans, right? We changed to a new overlay. They say this is gay, right? Just you cannot win. There's no winning with these people. I plugged in a good dreams crystal to my wall last night. I dreamt that Elvis was alive and released an audio book. And when I put it on, it was just Lucas and SA saying variations of truth. Nuke Tuc comments also that really resonated. >> Well, I think it's because I don't remember, but I think during that episode we sat there for like five minutes being like, "If you've got any opinions on chicken or your favorite

1:07:53 chicken meals, make sure to leave a comment down below." And everyone is like soldiering for us. They're like, "Yeah, dude. I'm going to [ __ ] do it, man." The chicken. The chicken brigade. We're rebranding the chicken. >> Welcome back to another episode of the Plausibly Deniable Experience. >> The Plausly Deniable Cooking Show with today's sponsor, Tyson's Chicken Thighs. >> Dude, can we get sponsored by Baked Chicken? Where is Big Chicken on this, dude? We're creating so much >> like down the road from where I live, right? >> That's the other thing, dude. >> Sponsored by like John Deere, Tyson's

1:08:40 Chicken, uh pigs in general. Like pigs, the species. >> Well, pigs and cows would love us, dude. We're going to increase the consumption of chickens. >> I want you guys to all know we had two choices. I think this whole section, by the way, this this is a note to Tomas. I think this whole section would be great for like an after episode segment, right? Like this is clearly like a postredits. We're just going on a postredits rampage here. But uh I think uh we we had two roads we were going down. One was like some sort of vaguely tech whatever, which is the overlay we went with. And the other one was just like a farm with like cows and corn and stuff, like a really rustic farm in the middle of the Midwest.

1:09:29 It wouldn't have made any sense. It would have been totally incoherent, but like it was a great aesthetic. No, like I think we had a good bit that can go after. But like I think basically everything up until the part where we're talking about the YouTube stuff. Although I don't know. Like I think our last episode it started off with just like 15 minutes of us talking about our own call to actions. So maybe nothing matters anymore. Maybe the people want to hear us promoting our own calls to action. >> Two hours of calls to action. >> Dude, CTA does go really hard as a podcast title also. And the idea also of getting people to subscribe to just two hours of promotions is really funny. Like two

1:10:14 hours of straight up self-promotion.

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