Coin-Flipping and the Linguistic Destruction of America

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00:00 I think the word tryh hard like actually caused societal damage. I think the word [laughter] tryh hard was like really bad. >> It totally did. >> Like I think I think try hard was really and like I remember saying try hard and I remember being like oh this guy's like trying so hard like like looking back at it like dude like that's obviously a good thing. Like you should try hard at the things >> right? Like it's literally it's literally a compound word combining try and hard. Like like it's like at some point society started affect like it became so common to make fun of people who were trying to do things that like it literally became like a linguistically accepted insult to say like [laughter] well this guy this guy look at this guy he's working hard this

00:45 guy has put forth effort dude oh my god it's like a reaction against boomers too like boomers were like yeah like a hard worker and they're like dude like you work that's So cringe, bro. Work. The work. The word work itself implies effort. [laughter] You do effort. Welcome to another episode of the plausibly deniable podcast. Sponsored by Poly Market, Zcash, Citizen X, and Passage Press. This is my Chinese GoPro knockoff >> in a metal cage because I value it so much that I'm worried that if it falls off my motorcycle. I'm not gonna tell you I'm not gonna tell you what brand of Chinese cuz until we get a sponsorship

01:30 from them. Not going to say anything about it. This is our new thing. We're completely evil now. We will do >> rashing every consumer device we use. >> We're ransoming. We're ransoming every single positive thing that we ever say off to the brands. At this point, >> I've done the most [ __ ] What was it? [snorts] It was [laughter] He starts drinking. Dude, this is unbelievable. Starts off. I've done the most. >> I just prepared a >> And then he comes in and he immediately starts chugging like an entire can of soda. And so I'm like, "What was soda?" Okay. And we're going to Dude, we need a sponsorship from these guys cuz I've been consuming. Anyways,

02:15 I just prepared. Okay, I'm with some friends at like a beach house, I guess. Someone just prepared some food for me. And I [ __ ] walked over to the desk where I'm going to record this with you and just dumped an entire plate of it all over the ground. [laughter] And like it gets worse because it's not just like I jumped all I'm like right in front of the person who like just spent like an hour of their life cooking this for me. Okay. >> Was it a man or was it a woman? >> Yeah, it's a man which makes it way worse, right? If a woman cooks, it's like, "Okay, she's cooking." Like, that's what she >> dude. Honestly, I feel like if a woman had cooked this and then you you spilled it, I think there's like an 80% chance that her reaction would be like, "Oh, thank God he dropped it on the ground." Because now he won't be able to assess whether or not I did a good job and he

03:01 won't be able to judge the quality of my cooking. [laughter] Just [gasps] an alpha move. Like, walk over, dump it by accident, and then go like, "That's what I think of the [ __ ] you prepared. Now [laughter] pick it up. No, but I I just drop it and then um like right in front of the person who just prepared it who's a guy who like doesn't normally like in the same way like I cooked something for the house the other day like I don't regularly cook and so I was like [ __ ] like I hope this comes out you know I hope it's good and like people liked it and I felt good about >> that's what I'm saying like if if you cooked that and then I drop your bowl you like oh >> yeah it's so bad I'm like [ __ ] you dude what the [ __ ] yeah I know right Um, and then and then to make matters worse, not only did I like dump this, but I

03:47 like it fell on my backpack that has like my passports and like a little bit of cash and like [laughter] like my wallet and like there's like a hard drive in there and [ __ ] [laughter] It's like the actual uh like the 4chan tripping up the stairs and the spaghetti falling out of your but [laughter] it's like it's worse because the spaghetti falls out of your pocket but it doesn't fall on the ground. the spaghetti falls like on. It's like you have you have a section of your backpack that's like specifically like waterproof so that you can go outside with this and not have your like wallet and laptop and [ __ ] get ruined. But it's like you left it unzipped and the food specifically flies into the zipper way. [laughter] >> Yeah.

04:33 >> Well, how's your week been? I feel like we haven't uh I my week I've developed my it's like my third bout of AI psychosis for me is how my week is going. >> It's coming back for a third uh third wind of AI psychosis [laughter] back. >> The crazy thing is like I remember the first time I had AI psychosis I was like well it's good that I've immunized myself against this and it will never happen again. [laughter] >> [snorts] >> I feel like the way you're describing it makes it kind of sound like falling in love where like you have your first girlfriend and you fall in love and then like you break up and you're like, "Well, that was a horrible idea, but it's good that that'll never happen to me again." Like, it's really good. It's [laughter] good to make a decision of

05:19 that quality ever again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. I've been getting a pretty good mix of uh so I I have I have now learned I just bought the codeex whatever the $200 subscription is and I made it my goal to like I'm going to use it all right and it turns out that when you attempt to use it all you come up with things to do. So I now have a CRM of every single person that I've ever talked to in my entire life. It has 76,000 contacts. [laughter] It's all and and so here this is uh I don't know

06:04 the ethics of this exactly uh but these Chinese models Kimmy K3 and the new Deepseek uh DSV40731 that they just came out with these will do anything bro like these are it's like super illegal. Yeah, but the thing is uh I think you have like a 6 to 18 month period here as a sales guy where you have infinite ability to get in contact with anyone, right? And they will patch this eventually. I don't know how, but they have to because otherwise the world is just over. The other thing is I'm picturing you like calling someone's parents and being like, "Hello, are you John and Stacy parents of of of Lucas?" And then they're like, "Yes, has something happened to our son?" Like,

06:49 like they think you like died in a car accident or [clears throat] something. And you're like calling. >> You're like, "Not yet. It hasn't." >> You're like, "Not [laughter] yet. Has something happened to him?" And you're like, >> "If he keeps fading my calls, but if he doesn't purchase, >> if he keeps fading my calls, a lot of things, [laughter] >> but if he doesn't respond back and purchase my B2B SAS right now, [laughter] I'm going to him." >> The funniest thing to sell them would be like another CRM. >> Like you use the CRM to get their [laughter] information and then you sell. >> Are you wondering how I got your phone number? So, technically it's not a CRM. Technically that's like a a contact enrichment platform or something. The dude I also have learned that like the way all these SAS vendors make

07:35 $1 trillion is instead of being like okay you need like a bank account and you probably need accounting software and you probably need like payroll software and you probably need like you know whatever and like they sell you the whole thing. The way B2B SAS has gotten away with making so much money and expanding margins permanently is they sell you like a one piece of it's like there's a Lego set, okay? And the Lego set is called like software for a business, okay? And it has everything you need. The thing is you're not allowed to buy the Lego set. You have to like go like hunt through Pokemon card packs for like each little Lego piece from like 50 different vendors until you assemble the entire Lego. We have we

08:20 have a very good friend here. We have a very good friend actually who ran into this where he was trying to take one of his kids to the hospital and in the process of signing up for it. Uh there were so many different B2B SAS companies that had uh interacted with the onboarding portal to this hospital that he had to like sign up for like antivirus. he had to put his name into like an insurance hotline like and he's he's just look he's like this is criminal bro like and then he goes to the hospital after he's already input all of his information right and he's like so after I did all of that I went to the hospital and they still needed me to fill out the form because these people literally don't even give them the data they just harvest your data and then set like it's an infinite like it's a scam in so many ways that are visible

09:07 and it's probably more of a scam in ways that you don't know >> I think it's great I think um Dude, that reminds me one of the most evil businesses ever. So once I was on a I was about to leave for a business flight and like for whatever reason the assistant that uh booked the flights booked like the stupidest flight. Like I was going from country A to country B and like I was randomly in between doing a layover in country C for zero. Like country C wasn't even on like in between country A and country B. And so I'm like I'm literally arriving at the airport. But I'm like, "Wait a second." Like, if I'm just going through the airport, do I need like a a visa or something or an ESTA or can I just like stroll into this

09:52 country and I look it up online and I need a form and I'm like now like checking into the [ __ ] airline literally. And so I like hurriedly look up like ESTA, but like I should be fine because I like have a you know I I have a few passports and shout out Citizen X although I didn't get my passports from Citizen X. Shout out Citizen X if you want to be a global cosmopolitan like >> No, no. Obviously we would never lie about this but is it legal to lie? Like could you just say that you got your passports from Citizen X for the next episode? Maybe not uninforced. This is the most like uninforced thing ever, which is the FCC, which is like what are you allowed to do and not allowed to do in advertisements? And like basically every single like accepted marketing

10:38 practice of the last 20 years is just super illegal. >> That's that's what I was wondering. Like I I wasn't like this sounds ironic or I was actually not wondering about it for our own use. It's more just like >> you know like the click baiting of headlines because I remember as a kid someone would look at a product. >> It's not even that like undisclosed ads. You know how like X had their big like, "Oh, we're going after undisclosed ads." moment. >> Yeah. >> Undisclosed ads have been illegal for like a long time. It just the FCC doesn't do anything about it. [laughter] It's like super illegal. Like it's like 10 years in jail or something. Like it's not like uh like this isn't like a $10,000 fine. This is like a big big boy crime. >> So if we know people that are doing

11:23 undisclosed ads and we don't like them, >> we can like I >> like not that I would not that I would ever like [laughter] snitch. >> So the problem is you have to I think you have to get them with the payment or like the feds need probable cause to go after them with the payment and like basically the FCC is just too lazy to do this. >> But like if I were to offer them the ability to do this and then report it to the police before I transact the money. I [laughter] don't I'm not sure how that that might be like considered like Lucas goes full >> like Lucas sets up a [laughter] >> entire cryptocurrency community goes like this is this is the thing

12:08 [laughter] >> you're suggesting like entrapment but instead of run by like police officers run by like private citizens. [laughter] >> It's like you're like I'm going under you're like you like email that guy. They're like, "I went under." You're like, "I went undercover." They're like, "You like you're not a police officer. You can't go undercover. You're just a guy." And you're like, "Oh, well, that makes me less likely to want to tell you what I did while I was undercover." >> Well, and then and then the thing the thing that we're advertising is actually our own podcast. Like, it's actually a legitimate advertisement for our own podcast. And uh the airline girl is like, "Yo, we're closing a gate in 30 minutes. I can hold it like maybe 10 extra minutes

12:53 for you." I'm like, "Fuck." Like this is so bad. If I miss this, I'm going to get in trouble. Um and so I go and I look up like I literally just Google like ESD country C like how quickly can I get this? And then the first result, dude, this should actually just be illegal. Like another thing that the FCC does not enforce at all, but the first Google result. So like there's the normal office where you get an ESTA from from a country, right? And the way it works is you just like >> dude I have no idea what the [ __ ] ESTA is. >> I can't remember what the letters. It's called electronic system for travel authorization. And so it like this just means like if you come from a country where you don't need a visa, oftentimes what you need is an ESTA, which is just like an online form version of a visa.

13:38 And so if you're like American and you go to Europe nowadays, you need an ESTA. Now, if you're because like the US and and Europe are like angry at each other and they're they're doing like passive aggressive divorce parent things where they're like, "Oh, well, I need you to log exactly when you give me my child back now." Like like it's literally devolved like inter cross cross ocean relationships have devolved to the point of like legitimately like squabbbling parents who like take out and film on Tik Tok. Like it's the type of it's the type of relationship as a filming on Tik Tok what's happening. >> As a European politician right now you just get infinite props if you uh if you if you inconvenience Trump in any way. Like anything you can do the most minor

14:23 way to flip Trump the bird and they're just like I think you have to censor that out. I do have to like I just held up my middle finger. I'm not going to do it again because I don't want to make more work for editor, but I think if I do that, I have to censor it out on YouTube. I don't know. There's just a lot of stuff. So anyways, and as electronic system for travel authorization. And so I go online to fill this out and I'm like, oh [ __ ] like it looks like you can actually get one of these in 10 minutes. Like, thank God, maybe I'm saved. And so I start filling this this thing out. and I fill it out. >> And then it says, "We will send it to you to your email if you pay $99, right?" >> So, I already knew that there was like a a $99 fee. I'm like, "All right, whatever." Like, I'm just late for this flight. Like, whatever. And I just clicked the first result on Google, right? And then they're like, "Okay,

15:09 we're emailing this over to Canada. Like, thank you for giving us this. like, "Thank you for giving us uh you know your your um like thank you for giving us your details. We're going to now help you by getting you the ESTA." So, I had not like logged into Canada's ESTA system. I had logged into like some scammer [laughter] who was like, "Yo, I'm going to just middleman the government on on visas and Estas, bro." [laughter] And so, literally like 5 seconds later, I realize I'm like, "Fuck." And I go and it's like obviously the first result was a [ __ ] [ __ ] ad which like should not be illegal but should not be legal but any like another thing that the FCC is not doing anything about but whatever. Anyways, I go to the next

15:54 thing and um I go I go to the next uh result and it's like the official, you know, government um response form. They go through and like I get it back in like a minute and then like a day later I get the like an email from the first service. It was also cheaper. It was also like it was like $5 going straight to the government. So I just got fleeced for like $86. But on top of that it arrived like a day late. So it's like I'm going to inefficiently middleman the government which is kind of genius. And >> this is all tax software also. Like tax software is just like we will interact with the government APIs for you because you don't know >> what an API is.

16:39 >> Well, the worst thing is that they've made it illegal. You know, tax software has like the the current like thing keeping this tax software industry afloat, which is like a multi like tens of billions dollars industry every year. The thing keeping this afloat is they lobby the government and effectively their argument is like Americans are too stupid to file their own taxes and we might undergo some like catastrophic like systemwide failure of taxation if people were allowed to file their own taxes. That's like the the lobbyist's argument, >> but it's like true. >> I don't think that's true, man. Plus, like, okay, here's the thing. Okay. If the idea is like input information, >> who the [ __ ] is filing their own taxes?

17:24 >> Like you either have an accountant doing this >> or you use a tax. >> Well, don't get me started. I also I also think like accountants are like into like scammers basically. >> Well, yes, they all over time. >> Everything about taxes is a scam. That's the point of tax. >> It's a scam, dude. Everything is a scam. [laughter] Okay, here's the thing. I realized over time accountants and lawyers and doctors are like literally just cabals. Like there's literally limits on how many like doctors, lawyers or accountants can be inserted into the market every year. Like these people have managed to restrain the supply [laughter] on like a profession. It's it's it's [ __ ] insane, dude. It's completely turbo insane. Like I I keep coming around to

18:09 the idea, this is what we spoke about with Renan on the Renan episode, like the most depressed person is like a consultant and McKenzie because he's the only who's like paying full taxes, not getting any subsidies, and hasn't figured out to how to cartel himself. >> It's the guy making like 120k at like a completely normal job. He's the most depressed man in the universe. >> Unironically, yes. >> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of really bizarre stuff that I've learned about uh just tax laws in general. Uh like in in my state particularly, you appear to be able to file for unemployment even if you are making over six figures a year, >> which is like [laughter] as long as W2,

18:56 >> it's fine. Dude, I've I've really come around to like, you know, like the hype beast like Miami guys who are like who go on like TikTok and the camera like zooms dramatically on their face like W2 job is the biggest scam in your entire life. And it's like they're totally right, but it's not because like starting a business is like free money or anything. They're right because like W2 is just unironically like the most depressed. Like when you put yourself into the W2 bucket, the government just goes, "Oh, this guy's a retard." like I'm [laughter] going to [ __ ] over this guy. It's just don't ever be a W2, man. Don't because what a W2 is basically you're saying I need the government to

19:41 intermediate. Okay, I'm going to step back. This is going to be a little bit philosophical. So, we we have this concept called freedom of association, which is like you're allowed to do business with people you want and not allowed and you're also allowed to not do business with people you don't want to do. And you can generally for the most part unless if it's like hey I'm signing a contract where I get to kill this guy like you're not allowed to sign that but generally you're allowed to sign most things. Now what happened is that probably this started like post depression it's always FDR all the bad things are always FDR man. Um anyways post uh FDR comes along or someone comes along and effectively they change it so that the way employment works now it's like the government intermediates. Like you check into your job, but technically the amount of hours

20:27 you work a week is set by the government. The amount you get paid is set by the government. Your employer instead of paying you first, he pays the government and then you get paid. And so it's just like a W2 is like a [ __ ] sign alert where it's like I need the government to intervene in my private like way I get prayed and deliver value to my employer. Uh it's just it's just maximally [ __ ] man. Don't ever do a W2, dude. And like the the own government realizes >> this is basically every government or legal system at this point. Like it's it's honestly the same with most lawsuits. The number of people I know who between ages 20 and 30 are like, >> "Dude, I'm going to sue them and because I know that I'm right, I am going to

21:12 flee them, dude. I'm going to I'm going to take them to town. I'm going to take them to pound town and have my way with them." And then it's just never once gone the way that they thought it was going to go, right? It's always like they're like, "Dude, I like I have friends who've done court cases. I know what I'm getting into." And then it's like eight years and then they in theory should win an amount of earnings from the other person, amount of damages that would make it worth it, but the other person no longer has any money because you have three years to see when when the the boot is coming down on you. and squirrel all of your assets away. So now it's like [laughter] you're just like a completely broke homeless person. And so the judge is like, "Yeah, well, you

21:58 would be getting like 3 million in damages, but everyone that you're suing is completely broke." So it's like, "Well, I I award you $37 of their upcoming wages, right? And then they work like two hours [laughter] and you get your $37." [snorts] You like wake up the next morning and your wife is like, "So like, was it worth it? did you win? And you're like, we won so hard. Like, [laughter] [snorts] >> you do have to uh this goes back to like the law of like you have to cope just enough not to >> like you have to look at like babe, we won. Like I saw a lot of I saw a lot of the bankruptcy stuff from crypto and my understanding of bankruptcy law right

22:43 now is that uh bankruptcy law and liquidations. If you ever get to the point where there is a state sponsored liquidator who's coming in and dealing with the liquidation and distribution of your assets, every single person involved has [ __ ] up so badly that it's almost like an inexcusable mistake, right? Cuz you have uh >> dude, there's no winners in court. There's only losers. unironically. >> It's Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of where I'm going, right? So, like, if you have a situation where like let's say you have a some sort of a company that had 10 people that lent assets to it or you fun you founded the company or sorry, you funded the company. Uh, and so the company goes bankrupt and now these 10 people are like, "We want our assets back." So, they take the assets that the company still has and they're

23:29 supposed to divvy them up between the 10 people. However, if the 10 people are [ __ ] children and they cannot agree on who should get paid out and in what order and stuff like that, then they take it to court and now they appoint some court guy. And the court guy's job is to basically time rug you uh for as long as possible collecting legal fees. And where do the legal fees come from? They come from the estate of of the bankruptcy that you were trying to liquidate. So the lawyer is siphoning off all of your money the whole time and so everybody gets less out of the pot after the lawyer has gone through and done this and it can like it's not like oh they take like 2% off the top. It's like after years and years of this it the pot can just meaningfully become 80%

24:14 smaller. So now all of you are getting gigafucked because you couldn't just like agree on how like how do you pay this out, right? There's unironically no there's no winners in in the legal system. The only possible way you win is you walk in with nothing to lose and a deep desire to [ __ ] over the person who's on the other side from you. That's the only way you win is if you're like a a truly sadistic person who thrives on the pain of the guy across the table from you. >> Yeah. If you're if you're the other thing is if you have so much more assets than everyone else involved that you can effectively like run it on autopilot. If your goal is to use the court as a mechanism to troll people that you have resentment for and you have like a hundred times their net worth, you can

25:00 totally do it actually, right? Like I know that you've seen this you've seen this firsthand. >> I've seen this super firsthand. Yeah. Like I've seen a lot of legal harassment. And when I say legal, I don't mean like, oh, this is legal. It's allowed by law. Like, it should be illegal. It should be ille illegal. Harassment, but it's like harassment using the law system. Harassment using the courts of justice. It's so funny to call any of this justice. Also, like the number one determinant in many of these court cases is just jury selection. So you're like, "Okay, well I know that like if I were to ask chat GPT which demographic of people are going to agree with my client, I just want to get as many of those guys as possible on the

25:45 thing, right? And just both sides trying to do this. Yeah. I don't I don't know on Europe, dude. I think the big mistake with Europe the big mistake, dude, there's like 15 like 15 big mistakes with Europe. No, I think that JD Vance, the time when JD Vance went over and like lectured them like [snorts] Europe was like a petulant child was really bad. Like I think I don't think they realized how bad that was, dude. That was really bad. >> I do remember everyone posting like JD. Yeah, it was one of those things that like appear appealed to like Chud Twitter and nobody like nobody else in

26:32 the real world world cared at all. It was it's it's like the equivalent of like um it's like when you're dating a girl and her like >> best friend comes over and she's like >> you're [laughter] dating a girl and Lucas just goes dating a what? [laughter] You're dating a girl and her fat best friend comes over, okay? And she goes like, "If you ever do anything bad, if you ever do anything bad to my sweet little friend, Mary, I'm going to do awful things to you." And it's like, >> you don't appreciate this. Mary also doesn't appreciate this. Like, no one appreciates this, but the fat friend is like really, she feels super girl boss. >> Why do they all do this? Also, they'll

27:18 also like I I recently witnessed a girl basically do this where she was like threatening the guy who's dating her friend and she's like not only did she manage to threaten the friend, but she called herself a badass in the process of threatening her friend. You know the feeling you get whenever a girl calls herself a badass, you're just like this is like such Gen X like millennial woman like army girl slop, man. Like you are not a badass. There's like there's nobody anymore who's a badass realistically, guy or girl. But if there was, it's like it's not like there's nothing badass about being a girl boss. And there's nothing badass about being a girl who like gets into fights with people. That's just like trailer trash, right? So it's like describe to me the behaviors by which a girl would be a

28:03 badass in. Right. Just [laughter] ven diagram of like trailer trash. >> Yeah. And girl who's a badass. It's like I'm a turbo badass and it's like three convictions for like uh distribution of methamphetamine, domestic violence. Like it's like I guess that's like actually the closest you can get to being a badass now. No, I I just think um I really do think the JD Vance thing is like uh [clears throat] either they didn't care at all and they were like we're going to turbo nuke this or they like somehow did not realize how awfully that would play over because it >> I think they also might at this point specifically in the

28:48 presidency. I think they might have just been indexing super [ __ ] mega hard on incel Twitter, like right-wing Chud Twitter, right? >> Yes. >> And so they were just like, "Dude, >> I am going to get so many repeats from Zero HP Lovecraft [laughter] when I go over >> and I tell and I tell all of Europe that they're whiny baby losers. Dude, Zero HP Lovecraft is going to retweet every clip of this speech. [laughter] >> [snorts] >> He was probably a bad example of an account to use for this. We love Zero and whatnot. Uh >> I don't think he would retweet the clips either. >> It's Captive Dreamer. We're going to get so many Captive Dreamer retweets. >> Captive Dreamer. Or the thing that's happening is the the

29:34 brilliant advertising move we've talked about where like you basically [laughter] you run a blackmail ring where you go to a company like pay me or else I will publicly advertise your products. Well, the other one that you can do is you can pretend to be sponsored by a company and then invent a contract so that other people sponsor you. Now, it's like the same thing where do you remember that article where all of the San Francisco escorts were like our price per hour is $6,000 or something and it's like their price per hour before this was like $40, right? But now if you have a publicist run an article that says that your price per hour is $6,000, then now there's at least like a hundred,000 people that

30:19 think that's your actual price. In the same way, if you go and you pretend that you're doing ads for someone and then you say, "Yeah, these people are paying me this much to run ads." Like, unless they get in contact with a person and they probably aren't going to get in contact with the person because the person is like like nobody talks about this stuff, right? Like even even employees at the companies that are paying creators to run ads for this are not aware. There's like one guy who handles this and the guy is usually like a contractor because they want to have some weird like they want to have some distance between the the company themselves and the people advertising it so they don't have to be legally liable for whatever weird advertising techniques people use on like twitter.com or something like that. So, uh, basically what I'm saying is someone could be on payroll for someone and

31:05 nobody at the company will know. And if that person goes to other advertisers and says, "I can advertise for you guys." and they're like, "Who else are you currently advertising with?" He could tell them and then the other they will never go to the person and talk to them and find out. Like it's total mystery. >> So Arnal talk about uh did you see the Prometheus guys, the goofy the goofy guys like the Mason guys who are French who kept posting hype videos on Twitter, finally got themselves to Texas and are building this like 50 foot Prometheus statue outside of Elon Musk's star base. But I I don't know if it's true because I've seen conflicting information and it's hard to tell which one is funnier. One pe like people are saying, "Oh, they finally got paid." But then some people are saying, "No, they didn't get paid. Like they just gave up posting hype

31:50 reels and trying to get Elon to pay them and like they just started building it outside his house." Anyways, this is the strategy, dude. This is the strategy. It's the same thing with pretending to be sponsored as an advertiser. You just go and you you're like, "Yeah, Elon Musk totally paid me $50 million. I'll do yours for just $10 million, so I'll build you a Prometheus statue for the low price of, you know, that's 80% off what Elon got for it. So, if you think about it, you're actually getting >> good price, dude. >> Yeah, you're totally owning Elon here, man. No, >> I The other thing is if you if you have only ever worked in one profession, like you've only ever done like marketing or you've only ever done engineering. I'm saying this stuff to you and you you're like, "Haha, like funny joke." But like

32:36 no actual business negotiation would ever work that and it's like no no like I'm not memeing you, man. Like actually this is how it happens. [laughter] Like yeah, it's I I don't know, man. Do you think these people are going to like make it? Do you think they're going to be able to find a career like masoning up like base statues for like for like Twitter billionaires? Is this like a real Do you think they there was like enough demand here for it to work? >> Um, no. I think it's a really easy just like no, right? I like that they all give them the same like norwooded up haircut. Like they all

33:23 they all have the exact same stage of balding and then on top of that they're all wearing like the goofy like Mason like like [laughter] they're all wearing the same outfit, dude. It's so cartoonish. Like do you think when you join this group there's like a guy who's like, "All right, you all have to like start balding." No, but it's like uh if they're past the point of balding that is the norm for the company, they give them dutasteride so that their hairline comes back a little. But if if they're if they're like hairline is too good, they say like, "Okay, we need to uh we need to norwood you as fast as possible. You're going to be working under UV office lights. You need to sit in your chair. You're not allowed to have a standing

34:08 desk. Uh you have to have a high carbohydrate diet." They do everything to increase the DHT activity in their scalp possible. [laughter] Do you think they like put them on steroids but like don't let them work out or they're like protein restrictions? >> I honestly the steroids wouldn't do it as well as uh as well as the aromatase inhibitors. If you nuke your estrogen to zero, bald. Zero. Zero. >> Really? >> This was this was a big thing that all of the steroid guys figured out. Uh so like when I was growing up, there was a period where everyone was like, "Yeah, you really need to control your estrogen. If you're on testosterone, you need to make sure that you are uh you

34:53 know, you the estrogen is the woman chemical, right? You don't want too much of the woman chemical. You want to have the man chemical. So, you got to take this you got to take this drug that makes sure you don't make the woman chemical. Uh, unfortunately, your body kind of balances testosterone and estrogen naturally to some degree. And even if you inject a [ __ ] ton of testosterone more than you would normally have, uh, it makes the amount of estrogen that you would need to kind of protect your heart at that level of testosterone. So, you take it away and you start getting all these weird heart problems and then also your hair just goes away. Uh, and you you start getting uh I don't know estrogen like there's a reason girls live longer and it it has a lot to do with estrogen actually. It's kind of like a safety thing. >> Safety hormone.

35:39 >> Don't want to send it to Zoom. >> Yeah, I liked it more when uh when we were like estrogen was the girl hormone and testosterone [clears throat] is the boy. I think that was like a simpler system for me to wrap my head around. Nowadays it's too complicated, man. I I >> Well, and now it's you don't even talk about it's like estradiol and then you have progesterone and then you have, >> you know, like the point when they started calling it E2 instead of estrogen, like they're naming like which estrogen it is, it's like, okay, we're now laring too deep into the uh endocr endocrinology subgenre here. And it's another one of those really annoying things because there's like 10 people on the planet that actually understand endocrinology and they're generally not the people on Twitter telling you to

36:24 take mega doses of progesterone. >> They are not. Dude, I progesterone is also just super funny because it's like no one knows exactly what it does. It's just like miracle thing. Um and there's like >> it's like ashwagandha. You have a lot of progesterone. Progesterone is like ashwagandha for Gen Z, right? Like ashwagandha was this meme plant that everyone would take and they're like, "Yeah, dude. It's going to like uh it's going to clear up your brain fog and it's going to like raise your hormone and it's going to balance your levels and like all this shit." But like it appears to just be a totally random dice roll. Like if I take ashwagandha, it makes me really sleepy and my nipples get sensitive. Some other guy will take it and be like, >> "Dude, why would you say that? What's

37:09 wrong?" It's a It's a common symptom of uh like your estrogen or prolactin or something is out of whack. Like it [ __ ] your hormones. >> I saw the funny. >> It's like it's trying to trans me, but it doesn't know which direction to trans me. It's transing me on some axis, right? the the um dude, the other amazing thing that I saw on Twitter, I saw like a a Chinese super degenerate uh crypto bro started posting like [laughter] like videos of nature and you just know that he blew up his account. like you just know he's like struggling like >> oh yeah the guy it's always the point of

37:56 uh >> posting hold on hold on he's posting like shoots of corn and he's like in the morning the grain grows [laughter] like it's all like it's all like a grog translated like motivational speak like using plants as an analogy for personal growth. There's a point every cycle in crypto like crypto will cyclically it will go up for years and then it will have one really really bad year where everyone gets destroyed and then and then after it's gone down for long enough everyone in crypto starts posting stuff like I you know something that I've realized recently is that it's not about the money it's not about the resources you can't buy happiness in life

38:41 the real things that you should be looking out for free in the end you And it's like this is a man who just went from seven $7 million net worth to negative200,000. Uh he lives in a car and he's like out in the woods trying to escape from the police who are trying to collect on some huge amount of taxes, right? Because always always what happens with these people too is they made a ton of money. They realized a ton of gains and then they did not set aside money for taxes. They didn't even know that you have to set aside money for taxes. So, it's like if you go and you invest $1,000 and it turns into a million dollars and you sell that million dollars, you now have to pay capital gains on that, right? But they're just like, "Dude, I have a million bucks, bro. That's [ __ ] crazy, dude." So, they go and they start

39:26 buying a bunch of stuff. And then eventually, whatever else they reinvest into goes to zero. So, now they have uh it's like they have four watches and they have a nice car. They have zero dollars. Uh and now the government is like, "You owe us 30% of your million dollars in capital gains taxes." uh which is 300k. And this person is like, I have zero dollars. Like, surely it can't be fair that I would owe you that much money. And they're like, well, that's how the law works. Uh and now they're like, well, can I do a payment plan? >> And now you're arguing with the IRS trying to get them to let you do a payment plan, which is like this is max pain. This is not where you want to be in life, right? Like this is not how you want to be spending your time. >> Not a great place to be, dude. The other thing that I find um there's this genre

40:12 of like academic paper where it's like economist finds like irrational human behavior and like they're so invested in like the rational economic person theory that they like will try to like backwardsly compatibilize this into like a rational actionize >> Yeah. I I don't know what I'm saying. It's it's a little late for me. I'm falling off. >> It's not bad. Like I mean it's impressive on the fly. It was very much so uh it was like resourceful word crafting. [laughter] >> Any Anyways, okay. What's important here is there's this series of papers where they basically go like, "Oh, the reason gangsters buy so much gold jewelry is

40:59 because it's actually really rational to do [laughter] because no matter what happens to your personal finances, you could always go sell your chains and your jewelry." [laughter] >> Well, this is what they just always say about gold in every step. >> Yeah. Did you see? Also, gold is now bigger than T-Bills, dude. I think T-Bills are like not having a good time, dude. Every everyone has uh started to realize >> Apple stock is better than T- bills. >> Like >> everything is it's like why you hold the T- bills, >> dude. It's just uh Well, the reason you hold the T- bill is because the US government has the money printer. The weird thing is that like some corporate debt is like approaching T- billill levels of uh of stuff and like I like on

41:47 on one level I get it like Apple is not going to default but it's like the US government literally has the money printer like they cannot default they just print more money man. Um but yeah it's getting it's getting pretty bad dude. There's like a certain number it goes to. And we have uh the other thing people haven't priced in is we have this new guy Kevin Worsh who who is the new uh he took over from Jay Powell. And we need like a macro guy on to to do another episode. But anyways, Kevin Worsh is like super funny cuz he basically sickanted Trump for like two years in order to get this job. like he was just like a guy with like normal opinions and then at some point two years ago he was like seems like Jay Powell is kind of old man like this

42:33 seems like a really good bet to take is like J Pal is going to have to retire and uh what if I just only say nice things about Trump for the next two years and so he basically did that and then the other funny really funny thing about him is he's invested into a bunch of uh like the 2018 and 2021 vintages of crypto companies and so he had when when you uh take a a government role like that, you have to disclose what assets you have. And so he had like 50 like crypto bears or something like he had to disclose a bunch of like cuz like the VC owns or something. >> Yes. Yes, dude. >> He owns he owns like 600 monkey pictures

43:20 on the blockchain. [laughter] >> Yes, dude. It's so [ __ ] funny cuz it's like what does he have and there's like a there's like a very specific breakdown of everything he has. It's like he had like stakes in DeFi protocols, Ethereum scaling, Bitcoin lightning startup like prediction market. This is the macro version of uh somebody in power. Like do you remember when big balls or whoever it was and they like look at his private communications from when he was a kid and they find out that he was like a Nazi or whatever. Like this is the macro version of that is you get the macro guy in and then you see his personal financial disclosures and it's all NFTTS. Like that is >> macronazism.

44:07 >> Dude, it's also great because it's like a great like call back the things he had. So he apparently invested in DCM and then he invested in a fund called AVF. Anyways, [clears throat] this guy was holding like Dydx, Lighter, Compound, okay, but he also had stuff like a layer 2 AI blockchain platform. [laughter] So, it's just anytime he does anything stupid during his career of like being in charge of the Fed, someone can just go like, "What did you expect from a guy who bought monkey pictures on you? [laughter] [snorts] >> It's so funny." >> He can also say that that's the ultimate defense. >> It's like you you knowing full well

44:54 knowing full well that I allocated 30% of my finances to monkey pictures, you still hired me, dog. Like this is he owned, by the way, he owned a piece of NBA Top Shot and then a web 3 gaming company. [laughter] It's just funny cuz like anyone who's made these investments like Lucas and I have laughed at these people for years and years and it's like you realize like these people's LPs are sometimes like really serious investors like serious guy capital S you know [snorts] what a crazy time man 2021 was >> well everyone is an investor in something now what it's like bands are spinning up >> uh bands are spinning up like VC

45:40 spinning up like crowdsource platforms. That's so funny. >> No, no, no. They're spinning up VC. >> Oh, you mean um I know what you're talking about. You're talking about chain smokers, dude. Chain smokers are like unironically good investors at this point. Like [laughter] it's not even a meme. Like chain smokers are actually like mogging some investors, you know? Like their returns are probably going to be pretty good. >> I think it's another one of those memes where it's just like crazy. If you are able to survive in capital markets while leveraging yourself for like 10 years, then it's you're you're probably good. Like as long as you've survived one bare market. The big thing is like with that Leupold guy, this is a thing that people always do. They're like, "Dude, he's an amazing investor. He turned X amount of money into 20x amount of money." And it will have been during an exclusively up

46:25 market, right? Like the market has only ever gone up. If if a guy were to flip a coin and he were to say, "I'm betting that everything goes up and then it all keeps going up," it's like this guy just wins, right? But then the second it goes down, you instantly vaporize billions of dollars. Uh that's you got to wait for the sneezes and see if the the coin flippers blow up. >> Literally, everything has become coin flipping so hard that like the Fed chairman owns like coin flip stocks, dude. And like honestly, coin flipping is no longer like a frowned upon activity. Like you have to get to like illegal coin flipping now. Like you have to be like legal chargeback scheme where like maybe I maybe the credit card

47:11 companies don't catch me doing car chargebacks, bro. Like that's how far you have to get for people to be like, "All right, man. Like you got to cut it out now." No one gets mad at you for coin flipping anymore. I've seen a lot of people have financial models now that are basically just like I am pricing in that more and more of the >> light cone. It's always the light cone. That word gets them going, dude. >> No, no, no. This is a totally different people. Like these are financial models from people who are saying like I'm pressing in that more and more of like the modal tax contributor is going to just stop paying taxes. They're just saying, yeah, like they're seeing everything that's going on with like uh with AI and the way that they are just like fraudulently abusing 50 different laws at every lab in terms of

47:56 like copyright or whatever uh like why and [laughter] they're just like yeah like uh people and then they're also seeing obviously like we've talked about this forever, right? They see the Somali uh daycarees and stuff like that and then they just say like I am the only person in the United States of America still paying taxes. I am getting scammed and they just stop. What do you do? What else has been going on, man? It is it is an epidemic of coin flippers. But I just have nothing else to say on this other than like it's obviously going to destroy our society if something doesn't change. Like we we need a moment of catharsis where the uh the coin flippers have to die otherwise like enough of the coin flippers have to lose money or else

48:41 it's really really really going to be over because otherwise the incentives that lead people to not coin flip and actually create value are going to get really really bad. Like why would you ever run a business when everyone around you is just incessantly coin flipping everything possible? There's no uh it doesn't particularly motivate you to like do serious work, right? When your like co-orker is like sherking work to go open Pokemon card packs or something. There's also no dignity in it because it used to be like, "All right, I'm going to the casino and uh it's presumably like a sexy experience within which I'm like coin flipping all my gambling." But now it's an app on your phone or it's like Pokemon cards or whatever people are gambling on.

49:27 It's not uh it's a little uh I think it is a little civilization breaking when the coin flippers make money. I mean, yeah, the problem is it's just made a mockery of the system and we've done it for too long. So now there is and like systems largely subsist on people believing that they're not uh like a scam. >> So much of the world is like this, right? like the the US dollar, the power of the US dollar. Everyone is like, "Oh, it's not backed by anything." It's like it is. It's just backed by everyone believing that it's backed by something kind of, right? But if you stop, then that can all go away. It's the same with every business. It's the same with every stock. Like, there's a weird collective

50:12 psychic force field around this [ __ ] And if it ever just dumps, uh, bad stuff happens. And we largely haven't seen that happen in America because we've been printing enough money that everything can go up and people no longer really believe that you can get that [ __ ] by betting hard on US equities anymore. >> I don't Yeah, I I think it's uh it's going to get pretty bad at some point soon, man. I think um >> you know we should become we should become >> moderately worrying. >> It's coming. This is the big kahuna. This is the big selloff. like it's about to it's going to be it's going to hit you, it's going to hit me. No, no one's going to be safe from the big kahuna. >> The people who are like it's gonna we've we're still in the 20 [laughter]

50:58 dude. The people I really like are the guys who like uh have you ever watched the the Inception movie? Surely you have. I really hope you have. Otherwise, it's going to be pretty bad. >> No. >> Oh my god. Dude, have you not seen Inception? So, the the whole point of the premise of Inception is like you go into dreams to plant ideas. Okay. And then the big plot twist at the end is like, "Oh, what if they're still in the dream? Like, what if they never made it back?" Okay, there's a there's a genre of like the big kahuna guy who like shows you his stock chart of like the spy from like the dot bubble and then [snorts] they do the Curtis Jarvin thing where they go like, "You think the last three years have been a bubble? Oh, buddy, you're in for a big one." Like, we have never come back from the 2008

51:44 bubble. like [laughter] we're still it's going to go all the way down back to like and then there's the guys who like outflank those guys and they're like it we never from the dot crisis and they're like prices have to go all the way back to you go back and you're like >> to be >> we never should have gone off the gold standard like we've never recovered [laughter] >> from leaving the gold stand that's the 1971 guys the guys who are like 1971 the purchasing power of Everything was utterly decimated forever. You can just keep going back forever, dude. >> We've defined a lot of really good usable uh rhetorical tact. I would even say calling this a rhetorical tactic is a bit of a scam. It's like sophistry.

52:30 Like this is basically a sophistry tactic where if somebody ever like if you want to outbase someone, the very easy thing to do is to just go farther back in time. like just time travel and then say a very based point that you make, but actually we never should have invented dollars at all and we should still be transacting directly with bars of gold and rocks and [ __ ] right? That way and then you're like all of the complexity inherent in the centralized financial system that the globe uses wouldn't be there because you can't really send gold bars that quickly. Like you can't perform you can't perform high frequency trading arbitrage with gold bars. [laughter]

53:17 Can you imagine like some guy running between the gold bar vendors >> like trying to orbit for like >> dude I know this guy like this would be [laughter] there's a no way >> in the reality where you can ARB gold bar transactions by like inperson uh inhand transfers my V2 max would be so [ __ ] high man I would be [laughter] I would be so in shape. Dude, there's the funniest story ever. This is a person you you know this person. You've never met this person, but you know this person. Okay. This guy that we both know used to what he did for like a

54:02 2-year period is he just had a Costco membership and he would go buy like an ounce of gold and what he was basically getting was like a free arbitrage on the price of gold. Okay. So what he would do is like you you have the the like you go you buy you know whatever you buy an ounce of gold for like $100 or whatever it might be then you turn around and you have like a week or something to return it. So back when gold was mooning this was basically free money right because you just wouldn't return it and then you'd go sell it at to a gold shop and maybe you made like I don't know 5% or something. Uh, and so he ran this as like his main source of income for a year. And then after he, and you might like look at

54:48 this person, you're like, well, this guy is really stupid. Like, why? Like, is this really the best economic thing he can do? [snorts] Immediately after this, he got a job at Open AI. It's just the funniest thing ever. [laughter] This guy also and people like him, not just him, was responsible for Costco imposing uh maximum transaction limits on the amount of gold bars that you could buy from them because you used to just like you used to be able to >> Oh, he kept doing it after the maximum transaction limits, by the way. >> Wait, how? Oh, did he just spin up new Costco accounts? >> No, no, he just did it for really small amounts of money. like really like he

55:33 was wasting hours of his life driving to Costco and driving to gold like people like we buy gold cash for gold and he was like at the end like it was probably not worth the gas money obviously at a certain point. >> Yeah, there's money everywhere for those with eyes. >> This is just coin flippers making money, dude. >> There are like this is the thing if you ever actually need money >> find a way to get the money, right? like the the bar for resourcefulness required. It's not that high. There's a lot of inefficiencies in the world still. >> Uh yeah, I mean we we have to hope so, right? Because otherwise, how do we make money? This is the thing. No one likes perfectly efficient markets, man.

56:19 >> I I want markets to become when I say I want markets to be more volatile, that's actually my way of saying I want them to be less efficient. >> [laughter] >> Yep. Yeah, dude. The crypto guy who's posting stocks of literal corn is now doing the thing where he's like, "Soa, teacher, may I ask if we can please follow each other?" [laughter] Holy [ __ ] This guy's like one or two bad tweets away from ending it all, dude. >> Oh, do you mean the Chinese guy? >> Yeah. That part of the cycle, dude. >> No, no, no. This is a Chinese guy, right? He's done the same thing. >> This is obviously a ch Uh, >> he's going around collecting a bunch of mutuals. I think he bought a bunch of followers and now he's collecting mutuals to become a KO next cycle

57:05 >> yourself. >> This is one of the rare edges that still remains in the universe though, right? Like >> Yeah. It's like how bad are you willing to humiliate? >> You can be early. You can be willing to work harder. >> Actually takes skill though is is uh is the other problem here, >> right? But being shameless takes no skill. >> No, it takes no skill. You just need a a a really high tolerance to being humiliated >> for pain. Yeah. You need like a high pain tolerance. >> We we are probably closer to it than anyone watching this, right? Like if you're willing to me specifically, you're not even on camera. Your pain tolerance is like mine is huge, right? Mine is enormous compared to yours, looks [laughter] at the camera. Dude, someone the other day, a girl the other

57:50 day told me told told me [laughter] like you're a podcaster. like you're basically a male sex worker >> and you're like, "No, no, no. I'm anonymous on my podcast." And she's like, "So you're like a loser podcaster." >> She literally brought this up. She was like, "Well, I guess it's not that bad cuz you're [laughter] >> It's >> But it als it also means that we've inherently capped our viewership because it's just deeply unserious. Now, >> dude, it's >> like a 90% reduction in like the total viewers >> because SA won't die. [ __ ] funny world we live in, man. Honestly, >> what a deeply funny world. >> I I don't know. It's just so funny that >> I'm going to I'm going to replace what

58:35 I'm going to do what I'm going to do is I am going to have a conversation with myself on camera. I'm going to replace SA. >> SA sounds similar enough to me also that it will be totally fine, right? Like when I use when I use any sort of AI and we have a guest and I want to like separate out. We had one of these episodes recently where all of us got recorded into the same vocal track and I wanted to record like I wanted to split them all out and it split out Spandrel's voice and it thinks that me and SA are the same person. [snorts] [laughter] Dude, this is really funny cuz a lot of people who we've met are like you guys are like uh like have a similar enough personalities that they like they almost want to ask sometimes. I feel like people hold back from asking like, "Are we related or something?" Cuz we're clearly not related, but like they think

59:20 we're similar enough that they keep doing this thing. [snorts] [crying and laughter] Like they they keep being like like, "Are you guys related though?" Like it's still >> The crazy thing is, we didn't realize this until we started the podcast, but then we start the podcast and everyone's like, "Dude, you guys are like the same person, bro." And you're like, "I actually I actually don't think that's true." But I think like doing the podcast forces us enough into the same constrained thing that it could appear that way. I think also just a lot of people are really lazy about archetyping people, man. And so they're like, "Oh, you both, you know, like kind of into crypto and you like kind of tweet about the same thing, so you're just immediately the same." Like people are just lazy, man.

1:00:07 Is is a lot of >> I feel like when we talk about crypto now, it's like uh it's like college dating stores. just like, "Yo, dude, back in the day." Yo, that [ __ ] was crazy, man. Yeah. Anyway, I'm married now. I've settled down. [laughter] Like, >> well, it's a it's a little different, though, cuz it it also has like an air of like almost like like regret, like what a horribly wasted period of time. [laughter] [gasps] It's It's probably uh This is like too misogynistic. We're like trying to clean up the image, I feel like a little, but it's it's more like when a girl talks about her old dating stories from college. >> I was going to say it's like uh when a girl did Only Fans and she quit and she's now trying to make the most of the

1:00:53 world after the fact. Dude, I gotta say I gotta say though, okay, the AI psychosis on the new Deepseek model, >> Deepseek V, it's like Deepseek V4 Flash0731 because they've already released Deepseek V4 Flash, but now they've released the same model again, but at a different date. So, we've appended a new number. And the number 0731, that's actually a Chinese area code. So, it's a date, but also coincidentally, it's a Chinese area code. So, it's the most confusing model name of all time, which comes back to our grand thesis of like >> the Chinese just >> they don't know how to do marketing. >> They don't know how to >> Yeah, they just they just don't know how to do marketing, bro.

1:01:39 >> But it's a really it's a really good model. I'm actually going to go and I'm going to buy two uh RTX 6000 Pros this week so that I can run this thing at home. I really like it. It's fun to talk to. It uh it's a real worker, man. You tell this thing to pursue a goal and uh >> it does the work, dude. >> Dude, AI people talk about uh the Chinese models the same way that like boomers talk about like Hispanic landscapers. >> I was going to say it does the work. Like it it shows up on time to the job site, man. >> It shows up when you need her and she just don't quit. >> It's not drunk. She polishes your [ __ ] clean off, bro. Dude, it does just people do talk about it like exactly the way boomers talk

1:02:25 about it, dude. It's so funny. >> And like once once you notice that it's uh it's the exact same like manner of speaking and everything, you cannot unnotice it. By the way, >> there's a few of these things with AI where you realize that like the way in which it gets treated by people effectively like it is a it's a slave, but it's a human slave. Like they don't treat it like it's a robot slave. Like they talk about it like it's a human slave. [snorts] >> It's so funny, dude. It's so [ __ ] funny. >> Did you see? Also, I made a post. Uh I had a friend who gave me this razor. Dude, this was such an [ __ ] move of this guy. Anyway, this guy gave me this

1:03:10 razor as a present and I use the razor and I'm like, "Dude, this is amazing. I [ __ ] love this thing." it like uh I go over my face and like it takes off like a week of hair instantly and it it's so smooth and I'm like this just rocks. So I call him and I'm like dude thanks so much for the awesome razor you gave me. And he was like you didn't cut yourself with it. And I was like no no why. And he's like dude that was a really aggressive razor. Like I gave that to you because I thought you were going to like cut your face up a bunch before your podcast and look like a [ __ ] >> Dude, what an [ __ ] [laughter] Holy [ __ ] that's like a crazy [ __ ] move actually. >> And I I was like, "What do you mean?" And he was like, "Well, yeah, like I bought it myself and it was too aggressive and I cut my face a ton." And I'm a really experienced user of safety

1:03:56 razors, so I assumed that it was going to [ __ ] you up. And I'm like, "What do you mean you're an experienced user? Is you're an experienced face shaver, man? Like, is this for real, bro?" [laughter] Like, >> dude, people keep bragging about like more and more pathetic things nowadays, dude. [laughter] Well, I mean, I'm bragging about it now, actually. Like, this whole story is me saying, >> and you are also a >> I shave my I've got the hands of a surgeon, right? I've got a surgeon's jeans flowing through my blood, and I can hold I can hold that razor angle so steady. >> Have you heard that, ladies? Is this enticing you yet? [laughter] [snorts] >> It took me a while to get the implication. I was like, is SA implying that I could shave them well as well or

1:04:42 like and it was like a generalization of fine motor skills. >> Yeah, it's more of just like a fine motor skills thing here than like anything too specific to be entirely honest. >> It doesn't matter how fine your motor skills are if you still don't know where the clitoris is, right? Like you're like rubbing in very fine, but it's like on her thigh somewhere. That's totally irrelevant. It's just uh I the podcast somehow gets even worse, [laughter] bro, in terms of like how unsponsorable we are. [laughter] How unsponsorable. >> No, I think we could get I think we could get a Razer sponsorship. I

1:05:27 actually I didn't tell anyone what Razer it was because I was like I'm I'm gonna >> I'm going to force this guy to give me an affiliate link. Brilliant. I I love this. You can kind of just force companies into giving you an affiliate link, but I mean like I'm going to aggressively talk about a product and it's obviously your product, but I'm not going to mention that it's your product by the way, which is going to cause everyone to like really >> I got like a thousand likes on the post when I tweeted about this and there's 30 comments from people saying, "Give me the [ __ ] razor." And then also, this is the funniest thing. every single gay person that I know on Twitter and like have any sort of regular >> converat knew what the razor was. >> No, no, no, no. They immediately hit me up and said, "Dude, I need to get smoother. Can you give me the razor

1:06:13 recommendation?" [laughter] >> That's so funny. That's so funny, dude. Yeah. I don't gay dating meta is like very strange, man. It's >> Do you think it's actually valuable for them to be smoother or is this like a weird gay neuroticism? >> I have no idea. >> Imagine Imagine that you're a gay top and you're comparing the selection and you're like, well, I think this one's got a really good personality and you know, he can really throw it back, but this one is much smoother than the other one. >> It's just a turbo copout, man. But I just don't I don't feel like a lot of kinship. Like I don't I don't wonder like imagine you're a K top. Okay. Like you just lost me, man. [laughter]

1:07:00 >> I know. It's like a huge copout. >> S is like, "Oh, I'm so straight. I could never imagine myself having sex with a man." [laughter] >> I mean, we've had this conversation, dude. But it's like, I just don't I don't know. Like, life would be so much easier, man. It really would be so much mega easier to be gay. Uh, but I just don't I just don't have it in me, bro. ever, man. What do you mean? >> Every Zoomer couple now is just both of them trying to get the other person to reach. >> Everyone's trying to bottom, dude. Once again, gay people were just ahead of us. Like, they just outflanked us, bro. They knew what was coming before. Do you think Do you think if you're like gay 10 years ago, you could tell that like the dating market was about to get totally destroyed by the fact that everyone

1:07:45 wants to bottom? I mean, you've already with a non-starter when you said if you were gay 10 years ago, right? I can't imagine [laughter] what it would be like to be gay 10 years ago. Say, that's that's really specific. It's a really specific way of saying [laughter] if you were straight 10 years ago, do you think you could tell that that was going to happen? [laughter] If you What do you mean if if I was straight 10 years [laughter] ago? Say hello. >> If you were a guy named Lucas 10 years ago who is really straight, do you think you could tell that that was going to happen? [laughter]

1:08:33 H dude, we're being so safe horny, dude. It's not good. We do I have uh I do think we're finally getting like a cultural backlash to safe horny, which is like very good, man. Um, I think that's like an underdisussed part of why people are uh why there's no kids and everything is bad. I think we need to make the world more unsafe. Horny, [laughter] you're just gonna look at your kids. What did you mean by that, SA? [snorts and laughter] Just can you explain into the camera what exactly you want? >> Well, the world is clearly getting more unsafe horny, right?

1:09:18 >> No, I don't think so. I think it's like woke where like on some level it's becoming more unsafe, horny, but I think it's like woke where like it nominally seems like it's becoming more unsafe, horny, but like if you actually examine what's going on at like a deep level, it it still continues to be like more and more safe, horny, man. Yeah. You know what else happened that I think we should talk about? Dude, have you seen like AOC being like woke one? Have you Have you seen Dude, I hate this meme so much where people are like woke one, bro. Like it's so lame cuz it's like you're turning into a meme of like the literal destruction of like everything that civilization stood for. Like people forget like and like the problem the problem with the meme is that like it's

1:10:04 the same people who were doing the it's like if the Nazis in like 1945 were like dude what a crazy few years that was bro and [laughter] it's like dude you were in charge like what do you mean like you did this dude [laughter] like like what do you mean that was a crazy few years like that was you bro >> wait so is AOC AOC not saying woke one as like a a brag or is she saying it like a bad thing? >> No, she's saying like woke one was so crazy. She's like trying to get this like obviously very radical woman elected somewhere. I think it's like Michigan or I can't remember. There's like some [ __ ] Democratic primary and they're trying to get their like extremist um Democratic Socialist of America candidate through the Democratic

1:10:49 primary. And what they're basically doing is like she's saying like, "Yeah, she said these crazy things in the past, but like that was woke one, bro. That was a crazy crazy time. And like there's levels to this because then like someone goes like, "Okay, wait, but like do you think woke one was bad?" Like, and then like someone like me might be like, "Okay, saying it's bad is not enough." Like what do you actually commit to in the future such that we can have like a political conversation with you without feeling like you want to kill us and like strip us of our assets and like ritualistically humiliate us using the like the full force of the government. It's like no, no, no. She's not even saying it's bad. Like she's literally going like, "Dude, that was a crazy weekend, dude. We got we got up to some crazy stuff in Vegas, bro." Like

1:11:35 like there's this idea that like everything that happened from like 2020 through like Trump winning the presidency like >> they are trying to write it off as if it was all like a weird fever dream that nobody can be held accountable for, right? >> Like it was a fugue state. They're doing the the they're doing the like Breaking Bad thing where it's like, "I'm not doing drugs, honey. I just had a fugue state. That's why I'm in my underwear in the desert. [laughter] Like, it's like, what do you like? And and the the reason it works both at Breaking Bad and in the real world is because most of the time people don't actually want to engage with the idea of like, okay, my husband woke up in his underwear in the middle of the desert. Like, like mentally your brain is like, I would rather not comprehend. People don't want to like actually have to reckon with the fact

1:12:20 that their relatives did uninvite them from Christmas because they didn't get the COVID vaccine, right? They would actually pretend to >> or they would prefer to just ignore that this ever happened in their lives. And uh this gives them an excuse to do that presumably. >> Yeah. People I mean people just want to pretend it was like this crazy fugue state, but like it's I I don't like it's obviously still there. So, it's just very um I don't know. It's just it's just very confusing. >> Yeah. It's not any It's not even a repressed desire. Like, they very clearly still agree with all of the things and they're just like, "Ah, okay. So, we shouldn't say that one publicly. That's the one that when you say it publicly, everyone stops voting for

1:13:05 you." Right. >> Yeah. But the the problem and the weird thing is then like they continue saying these things publicly. They're just like saying it on a diff like they'll go on Fox and they'll be like, "Woke one, that was a crazy time. Am I right?" Like, "What a crazy what a wacky thing we did." And then they'll like go on Hassan stream and be like, "Dude, woke one was so epic. I can't wait to run that back, dude." And like, and it's like, "What do you like, what do you mean?" Like, like, I can see that you just said that. Like, you left this room. >> This is the Trump playbook, though. This is actually this is actually the right's fault in many ways cuz Trump realized that you can basically just say every position on the political spectrum and then the clips will get distributed to

1:13:50 whoever the viewers of that content are. So like if you want to hear Trump saying this thing, there's a clip of it. If you want to hear him saying the opposite side, there's a clip of it and you just I'm going to have to actually you here. >> Yeah, I'm going to have to well actually you here. This is basically what you could get away with. For almost all of human history, politicians could get away with doing this because there was no such thing as the clip. So you would like go and talk to a crowd somewhere and you would say one thing and then you'd go and talk to a crowd somewhere else and you just say a completely different thing. So there's Obama was like the first Obama was like the kind of the last guy who was able to get away with this. And if you actually look at some of the early televised Obama appearances, he does the code switching thing where he talks in an entirely

1:14:36 different accent depending on whether he's talking to like black people in Chicago or like white people in New York, for example. Like just a totally different person speaking to you. >> I believe that. Um, >> so for all of history, you were allowed to do it. What Trump pioneered was like continuing to do this in the digital age and like just simply never apologizing for it, which probably someone like Kafifi would be like actually Democrats did that first. And and probably he's right, but like I I just don't I don't know at a certain point. >> The thing is Trump did it so much better and at so much larger of a scale that I'm just going to attribute it to Trump. Like Trump won this technique in my book, right? Trump Trump wins the like uh you know how zoomers love to be like the the don't give a [ __ ] war like who

1:15:21 cares less war uh which is super hilarious when you consider like like the fact that that's like a common concept is like whoever cares less wins. [laughter] It's like I wait I need you to uh bring me up to zoomer zoomer speed on this one. So, it's like the the IDGF war is like this concept where like it's used a lot in dating where like like someone will have like a a screenshot of like them and they're like quote unquote situationship talking and it's like, "Yeah, I'm busy today. I can't hang out." And it's like, "Oh, are you with your other [ __ ] That's fine. I'm with my other like I'm with my other man." And it's like, "Yeah, we'll talk [laughter] late." And it's like they're both just like the veneer is totally off. like total demystification of

1:16:06 everything. Like it's just total I don't care man. [laughter] It is at a certain point like okay I actually think I dude this is like another things I have a blog post written on and I've just been so lazy but um I think the word tryhard like actually caused societal damage. I think the word try hard was like really totally did >> like I think I think try hard was really and like I remember saying try hard and I remember being like oh this guy's like trying so hard like but like looking back at it like dude like that's obviously a good thing like you should try hard at the things >> right like it's literally it's literally a compound word combining try and hard like >> like it's like at some point society started effect like it became so common

1:16:53 to make fun of people who were trying to do things that like it literally became like a linguistically accepted insult to say like [laughter] well this guy this guy look at this guy he's working hard this guy has put forth effort dude oh my god it's like a reaction against boomers too like boomers were like yeah like a hard worker and they're like dude like you work that's so cringe bro work the work the word work itself implies effort [laughter] YOU DO EFFORT I THINK I unironically think the word tryh hard caused societal damage, right? >> Yeah. I I don't know cuz like what do you what do you do once the word tryh hard goes viral? Like there's no

1:17:39 mimemetic defense. It's just totally >> I mean I remember when it went viral it was around the same time as uh the guys would start going like oh yeah dude I didn't even study for this exam and I still got a B. And you're like I guess >> right like I did this and like I'm realizing later this was like the moment civilization died. [laughter] Like the word tryh hard was actually like a big uh yeah >> you're like bragging about your uh performance per effort, right? You're like yeah dude like you are you are bragging about this. H. >> It's like if some guy were to say like, "Yeah, dude. Despite the fact that I'm like a homeless drug addict, I still

1:18:24 have a wife." >> You're like, "I >> in In defense, in defense, I will say that like >> I do think there is like the opposite of like the person who like brags about how little they're trying. There's like the guy who tries so hard that he's like ruining his life to try. >> There's also the guy who just doesn't even try at all and he just talks about how hard he's trying, which is a really funny inversion of this whole concept. But this guy, this guy is a huge loser, but he has also kept the entire US workforce like afloat. Like that's the thing, you know, like you go you go you're in the office and you see this guy and you're like, "Hey dude, could you help me with this? We need this and this and I was wondering if anyway we're trying to get it done by Friday." And then he's like, "Yeah, I don't know, man. Like, I've got a lot on my plate."

1:19:09 Zero on his plate. He has nothing going on. Uh, but I'll see if I can try. And but like he does this every time anyone asks him for things. And people like, "Wow, Fred's really [ __ ] busy, dude. I think he's working pretty hard. Not working hard at all. He's had he's had an Excel tab open. He's been staring at it. He's not even like like this is the type of guy that won't even go and like come up with like a complicated way to like jerk off at work. He's not like, it's not like he has like a technical manual cover binder and then he's like reading a fiction novel under it. He's literally just spacing out staring at a [ __ ] Excel spreadsheet. But because he does this, >> everybody else is like it >> it prevents you from being able to admit that you're doing nothing at work. And so everybody else has to uphold the LAR.

1:19:56 And there's 30% of the people who when everyone else in the workforce says that they're working, they're like, "Fuck, I guess I actually have to work." And they don't know like they don't know that all these people are doing nothing. So they actually work, right? And that's what fuels it. All of the autistic people see everyone else pretending that they're working and they like feel bad so they produce labor and value in the economy and that may be the only thing left driving the valuation of any company in the US at this point. Dude, I would love to see I would love to see just like like a handheld camcorder version. This is super sway millennial of me, but a handheld camcorder of like Lucas goes and works at like a normal company. [laughter]

1:20:42 >> I mean, it happened. It happened for years. But it happening now would be so much funnier because you care so much less now, bro. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean, >> for appearance sake, we should say yes. But in reality, >> ah, dude, it's so funny. The thing is like there's a way to still do really good work while not caring at all. >> No, it is possible to I mean the the real thing here is like um and this is just like it's very lame to say I have ADHD. I'm not even sure if ADHD is like

1:21:29 a real thing sometimes. You know how there's like uh that one meme that's like like dude your Wii came with Uno. Like have you ever heard this audio where it's like I don't have Uno on my Xbox and it's like you stupid [ __ ] like every Xbox is Uno and he's like no my Xbox is a limited edition that didn't there's like this famous super funny memeable audio and so people have like parodyed this into like like someone some girl on Twitter was like I find the idea of like having kids really hot like I feel like I have a breeding fetish and it's like no dude that's your biological imperative it came free it came free with your with your human condition [laughter] that's just like that's just the way it works, bro.

1:22:14 And then uh similarly, dude, it's just the same thing, man. >> Well, the weird thing is everyone with a breeding fetish uh like it's not like the people with the feeder fetish where they're all obese, right? The people with the breeding fetish all don't have kids. >> Yeah, none of them are having kids. Actually, now that I think about it, [laughter] none of them are having kids, actually. Truth call [laughter] me [ __ ] That's a crazy truth. I feel like there's a lot there's a lot of uh like we could go through and find tons of popular cliches or phrases that by the very coining and proliferation of them, America became like 3% worse, >> right? Like there's probably a list of like 50 of these.

1:23:01 >> Another one another one I think glazing when everyone took the and they started saying, "Oh, bro, you're glazing him." Like that was like America died a little bit when that happened. It's one of the worst words ever. >> Dude, [snorts] one of the other things that was like really weird is do you remember that like 2-year period where it was just like normal for people to like pantomime as if they were giving a [ __ ] Like, have you ever seen that video of ste of of of um of speed where he's like gluck gluck? Like he's doing like a music video about pantomining the idea of of giving a [ __ ] It's like there's a lot of famous people who just have videos of them pantomining giving like a really enthusiastic [ __ ] cuz

1:23:46 for whatever reason for like two years like you could just do that and it somehow wasn't embar I don't know it was like really weird man >> there were a lot >> big thing that's happening sorry go ahead >> when I was in school man there was a game where uh you would just like go up to your friends and like hit them in the balls and then they would chase you through the halls and then try to do it act. Dude, this was the gayest thing ever. Oh, dude. I feel like there's a lot of these things that like someone was just like clearly a closeted gay guy and he's like he just like tapped his friend's balls and he's like, "How do I play this?" He's like, "Dude, it's a game. It's called It's called Slap Ass." Like, >> slap your ass, bro. >> Like, do you remember smear the It's

1:24:31 like, "Okay, so it's a game where it's like if you're holding the ball, you're gay and we're all going to try to you. [laughter] But it wasn't like kill you. It was like we're going to try to like dog pile you. Like a lot of these things are clearly >> like we're going to kill you. It was like we're all like it was actually like we're going to tackle you and like elbow you in the face. Like I don't know how you played it, bro, but like we were like punching and throwing elbows and [ __ ] You sound like you got the version. You're like, "Oh, they all dog piled me. They all jumped on me." It was so crazy. We were [ __ ] We were [ __ ] like >> [snorts] >> That sounds pretty gay. I mean, if you [laughter]

1:25:19 No, there there are a lot of words that like uh destroy things. We've we've talked about this a lot, but it is like the power of naming things is very underrated both in terms of like you get to own the idea that you you name this thing, but also like destructive but and and creative. I halfway also that the success of any podcast we do is like 95% determined by how good the title of our episode is. And whenever someone's like 100% >> this episode this episode was awesome. I'm just like it the episode itself was exactly the same as every other episode but the title was the >> same as every other episode. >> The title was better. >> Dude, Mr. Beast is so right when he's like the only thing that matters is like thumbnails and titles. Bro, it's

1:26:05 thumbnails, titles, and consistency and just like spamming reps, dude. That's all it is. >> Yeah. And it's like, if you actually look at our viewer metrics for everything, >> it's like things that move the needle. It's like not missing three weeks when we go to San Francisco. Uh posting clips on Twitter and engaging with the clips. uh things that don't matter at all like guests, quality of content, subjects, like whether we're >> dude, we can get guests we're super excited about and no one cares [laughter] straight up. Like does not matter, dude. >> Well, even if the guests have like >> like you know like the renown, >> we're more excited about the guests. Like we are more excited about the

1:26:50 guests than like the viewers are. We're like, dude, this week episode's going to perform super well. We got the presidential. We got like the third runner up for president of Brazil on the podcast. They're like, "Dude, I love that episode where it was just like you and Lucas." And I'm like, "The one from a week ago where we were both like totally fried and like tired out of our minds and we just like uploaded something to upload and like we are demystifying it. We probably should not admit this, but like it is just true, dude." >> Yeah. I mean it and and then there's like 10% who only come for the guest. There are 10% who they see us as like they're like, "Oh, these are the big accounts who can get in contact with my internet daddies and like, oh, you can get like you can get like this big guy that I want to hear talk or this big guy." And then if we don't do that, they're like, "I hate you. You're bad.

1:27:36 You refuse to expose me to my internet daddies more." And they don't understand that 90% of the people who listen to this podcast, they message us and they're like, "Dude, I liked like three of your guest episodes, but I want you and SA. like I just want to hear you and Sailor talk, right? So then they'll [laughter] always come up and they'll say like, "Nobody wants to hear you and Sailor talk." And I'm like looking at the DMs. I'm like looking at like 500 DMs of people saying like, "Dude, I only want to hear you and SA talk about nothing. Those are the best episodes." And then you see this one guy screaming the opposite. And you're like, >> "I just don't believe you. Like I I'm sorry." >> So do you remember uh do you remember the other day when someone was like I don't I don't know if you saw this, but someone the other day was like, "Say a lot you're super funny. You should like

1:28:21 go do some of those street interviews. And I was like, "Oh, you want me to hate you now?" But I think they actually meant it as a compliment. Did you see this to happen or no? >> No. It's like, "Dude, SA, you're a really funny guy. You know what you should consider doing? You should become a real life streamer." >> Yes, dude. I was like, "Oh, oh, you want me to hate you?" Like, "Oh, okay. We hate each other now." But I think I think this was like supposed to be a compliment. I don't. It was just very bizarre. >> The audience may not know this, but approximately one year ago, SA said this exact same thing to me. And now he's revealing he's revealing that he knew all along that it was a [laughter] [ __ ] insult, which is what I always say. >> That was a massive neg. That was a

1:29:06 massive neg. [laughter] But this was back, okay, to put this into context, this is back when you were streaming like every single night. So you were pretty much already doing it and I was just telling you like instead of doing this from behind a desktop, like just go write off your meals at like a bunch of Taiwanese restaurants. That's the other great thing is you can write off like if you do IRL streaming, you could just write off everything, bro. >> Yeah. Well, the problem with that is that I it was already written off. So [laughter] I [laughter] love the other thing that's changed a lot in dating is now have you noticed that like guys are getting flown out. >> Yeah, [laughter] guys will get flown

1:29:51 out. Girls will fly themselves to the guys and also girls like the gifting of women is like increasing exponentially. Women W women will gift men >> women. And it's funny because like women will like save up from their paycheck that is like five times smaller, 80% smaller or whatever than the guys to give him some gadget or gizmo or something like I got you the new Xbox. Like, dude, the best example of this is worst boyfriend ever, where like every two weeks he'll be like, "This really fat girl that I don't want to have sex with paid me $2,000 to come to Japan to spend time with her and I'm just not going to spend time with her." And then they will just tweet it and you just know that she's like reading it somewhere. [laughter]

1:30:37 [snorts] >> This is another thing that I've really come to terms with recently is >> like before you would have this idea that like, oh, what goes around comes around. If you treat everybody like [ __ ] eventually it's going to catch up with you. And it's like it might, but the problem is there's so many people now, right? Like the internet makes things you can just move. You can move to a different you can move to a different city and like in theory the internet is perfect. >> Dude, the real answer here is like there's just people who find it attractive the idea that you're like a total piece of [ __ ] and you might be a piece of [ __ ] to them even. That's the real answer. I guess it's back to every everyone who's reaching out to worst boyfriend ever. >> Every girl who's reaching out to worst boyfriend ever knows exactly what she's getting. Like, you know what I mean?

1:31:26 >> Should we have him on the pod? Is that something the audience wants? >> No, we just did a we just did like a fiveminute bid about how the audience yells at us whenever we have a guest who isn't Kofifi on or uh [ __ ] >> Yeah, they did really like Kofifian. That was a really good episode though. I will say >> they really like one of our our alltime great episodes >> we can have Kofifi on again. I guess >> we can just have Kofi. >> We Yeah, we just make him like It's like every other episode instead of us having another It's like a different guest. It's like It's still a guest episode, but the guest is Kofifi again. >> It's still a guest. It's like that one friend who like always comes to your house so many times that like he's just like become like a sibling to that. >> Yeah. As a kid, your mom starts being like, "Hey." And like he she like makes

1:32:12 uh like everyone comes back. She makes like dinner for everyone. >> The blooper. Like she starts getting wor she's like, "Hey, is everything okay at home?" Like >> she's like, "Are you sleeping here tonight or not?" Like >> yes. [laughter] Yes, dude. And then at some point she's like, "Do you think his parents are okay? Like are they getting divorced or [laughter] >> Have you ever seen one of those or No. >> What? Is this last bit foreign to you?" No, your your mom's like like are his parents getting divorced? Like what's going like why is he always here? Like no, I was like super mega oblivious to stuff like this as a kid. So if any of my friends were going through any sort of like marital hardship in their families or whatever. Uh I was super

1:32:57 insensitive and just like generally unaware that it was going on. >> I'm [laughter] sorry to be an [ __ ] but that like super tracks, bro. That like totally >> [laughter] >> That makes total sense. I could see that. Yeah. I don't know. I never um I don't know, man. Honestly, most of my I feel like maybe I was super oblivious to it, but I feel like most most of my friends had pretty okay, pretty figured out like stable situations. Every now and then I'll have some sort of a digital memory of something that I did as a kid resurface and you look back and you're just like, "Woo! Woo! [laughter] [sighs and gasps] We missed that one. We did not know what

1:33:42 was going on there. Ah, super unaware, bro. >> Anyway, it's a good thing that we're completely self-actualized and aware of everything going on now, right? And we're not missing anything of a similar scale at this point in our lives.